Oops, I thought I was interacting with another adult, Bob. My mistake.
--- In [email protected], Bob Price <bobpriced@...> wrote:
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> Save it for Ravi Jim, he has a much bigger heart than I do.
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> Do you have any clue how dumb your second paragraph makes you sound?Â
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> From: whynotnow7 <whynotnow7@...>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2011 9:49:22 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Ravi
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> Hi Bob, I did not try to "cyber lynch" Ravi, so please include me with Oboe
> and the others. RD has been on here a long time and Ravi's stuff didn't fit
> the object of his rant, however well intentioned.
>
> As for the implication to us all through the video clip, I grew up with brown
> people, not whiteys. I lived mostly in SE Asia until I was 19. They raised
> me. I spoke the languages of Indonesia, the Philippines and Hong Kong.
> Thankfully the last two were primarily English, with a smattering of Tagalog
> and Cantonese. Also lived in Mexico, Spain, Fiji, and Surinam. So no big deal
> about Ravi having a really, really good tan.
>
> --- In [email protected], Bob Price <bobpriced@> wrote:
> >
> > RD,
> >
> > Since the *attempted* cyber lynching appears to be all but over, except for
> > the clean up, I have a couple of questions for you below;
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: raunchydog <raunchydog@>
> >
> > Hi Robin,ÃÂ
> >
> >
> > >>>>RD: I really don't know Ravi very well at all. I haven't read his posts
> > >>>>with much interest except to notice that he has had some enjoyable back
> > >>>>and forth banter with Denise/Emily and Bob Price. My initial experience
> > >>>>of Ravi was about a year ago when he got into such a depressive state
> > >>>>that we had extensive discussions about his mental health and concern
> > >>>>that he might commit suicide. Since then I see that he has come back
> > >>>>from the brink but rightly or wrongly, I still see him as an unstable
> > >>>>individual with the potential to go off the rails again. Given his
> > >>>>history, I think Alex's explanation for what might have happened with
> > >>>>Ravi in the past seems to ring true.
> >
> >
> > ***BP: Do I understand correctly that the reason you *attempted* to provoke
> > Ravi was your concern for his mental stability? Do I also understand
> > correctly that the *attempted* lynching of Raja Ravi Yogi, by pretty much
> > all of FFL (excluding Judy, Edg and Oboe) was also out of concern for his
> > mental health; and we should ignore the fact that the *attempted* lynching
> > was lead by those paragons of emotional maturity Curtis and Bubbles? In
> > addition, the stated fact: "I really don't know Ravi very well at all." is
> > no barrier to your meditation or an accurate diagnosis of his mental state,
> > and further, being the trained mental health professionals that you and the
> > Alex must so obviously be, the two of you had no doubt that provoking him
> > was the high road to his recovery? I want to thank you for clearing that
> > up; I'm a bit slow; I had thought it was that the two of you were being
> > passive aggressive and working on some issues, and Ravi, as always, was
> > more than
> >Â Â happy to help you out.ÃÂ
> >
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgKXK9giPYQ&feature=related
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> >
> >
> >
> > >>>>Alex: "I can see why many traditions of awakening get the
> > >>>>samskara/vasana inner work out of the way before awakening, because
> > >>>>once sole identity with the I/me story is broken, it is tempting to
> > >>>>disregard the story as unimportant and let it act out messily. Also,
> > >>>>for people with serious mental health issues, nondual awakening can
> > >>>>make matters worse."
> >
> >
> > ***BP: I'm sure I'm wrong about this; on the off chance Raja Ravi Yogi was
> > using closet and Mother Teresa as a metaphors for ignorance and hypocrisy
> > respectively, would it be fair to interpret yours and Alex's posts as
> > *attempts*, to provoke Ravi; and having the heart of a lion, in a herd of
> > zebras, he accommodated you? ÃÂ ÃÂ
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLFi9Xd7yys
> >
> >
> > >>>>RDOG: As long as Ravi isn't threatening to do himself in, I don't make
> > >>>>any claims to know the nature of his present mental stability. I'm just
> > >>>>circumspect about it.
> >
> >
> > ***BP: Since most of us didn't know Raja Ravi Yogi was attempting to off
> > himself (including Ravi) the fact that you and the Alex have his back, will
> > make all of us rest much easier.
> >
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l81W-jcOuj0
> >
> >
> >
> > >>>RDOG: Ravi claims he is enlightened. I don't know what that means to him
> > >>>or to anyone else. We all have a POV about it. Maybe I'm misjudging him,
> > >>>or just plain don't understand him but I get the feeling that he thinks
> > >>>his enlightenment gives him a pass to be Mr. Natural of inhibitions. I
> > >>>don't know if anyone's perception of him as enlightened has any bearing
> > >>>on how they choose to interact with him. Regardless, IMO it shouldn't be
> > >>>an excuse to treat him with deference or give him a pass if he chooses
> > >>>to be an asshole.
> >
> >
> > ***BP: This one caught my attention as it seems to be going viral (think
> > recent posts from Rick, Curtis and Bubbles), is there any training needed
> > to be able to measure another persons state of consciousness, or
> > motivation, for that matter? If so, I'm thinking we need an inspector
> > certification to avoid people running around making claims that cannot be
> > substantiated (you know, things like: I was just kidding; he over reacted,
> > because my feelings are hurt---that sort of thing); I'm thinking ISO 666
> > would be catchy, since most of 9000 is gone. We could take a vote on this,
> > much like the recent *attempted* lynching (sorry, I meant vote) on Raja
> > Ravi Yogi's behavior. My vote would be that we get Rick certified; I think
> > that would really up the overall feel and exclusivity of the place, cause
> > frankly, since Judy and Ravi posted out, the place is feeling a bit paltry.
> >
> >
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_9000
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >>>>RDOG: I don't doubt the rawness of emotion he felt when he went off on
> > >>>>his blow job rant. He intended to offend me. Yes, I felt offended, not
> > >>>>for his personal attack on me but for the stench it created in the air
> > >>>>on FFLife. Obviously, I provoked that in him by sending him some fairly
> > >>>>stinky barbs myself. Just to be clear, I don't take his reaction to me
> > >>>>as a lesson that I should somehow appreciate his rancor as an
> > >>>>opportunity to reflect upon any darkness residing in the deepest part
> > >>>>of my being. Perhaps this is the premise of those who see him as a
> > >>>>Guru. I do not.ÃÂ
> >
> >
> > ***BP: I'm sure I speak for many in thanking you for your concern for the
> > sensibilities of FFL, I was particularly concerned about Steve's wife---I
> > understood from his post that he was concerned that if his wife read ones
> > of Raja Ravi Yogi's posts she might have some kind of reaction, although I
> > don't think Ravi is the type of enlightened man that runs off with another
> > mans wife, particularly a friends---like he considers Steve. I did have one
> > question though; are you more concerned for my sensibilities or Raja Ravi
> > Yogi's mental stability?
> >
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAqmzmirixg&feature=related
> >
> >
> >
> > >>>>RDOG: I'll own my part in provoking him. I doubt that he owns his
> > >>>>provocative behavior when he gay-baited Alex or dismissed me as a
> > >>>>woman. In fact it was his stated intention to be provocative. This
> > >>>>whole brouhaha between Ravi and me has turned out to be quite
> > >>>>embarrassing in that I don't enjoy bringing attention to myself.
> >
> >
> > >>>RDOG: I like flying under the radar, posting mostly political stuff so
> > >>>that I can vent my frustrations about the sorry state of the state. I
> > >>>think it's important to be informed about current events. I try to make
> > >>>sense of complicated issues admittedly from a rock solid liberal POV and
> > >>>that may cause me to tilt at a few windmills, but so be it, at least I
> > >>>care about what happens to my country.ÃÂ
> >
> >
> > ***BP: As someone who may be the farthest to the left FFL has to offer, I'm
> > guessing Ravi is a
> > dyed in the wool progressive; that said, I believe, like me, he has
> > other outlets for his politics, and, he finds, pointing out what pompous
> > asses and hypocrites, most of us are, much more rewarding (I could be
> > talking my own book here). IMHO, besides any quesion of Ravi's mental
> > health, the biggest canards in the *attempted* lynching of Raja Ravi Yogi
> > are the nonsense
> > that Ravi is homophobic or sexist.
> >
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jF0fIO4tk-g
> >
> >
> >
> > >>>RDOG: I don't know if anything I've said answers your doubts about
> > >>>dealing with Ravi effectively or if I've adequately resolved any
> > >>>remaining personal issues with him to your satisfaction, but it's the
> > >>>best that I've got for now.
> >
> > >>>RDOG:Just for the record, I don't believe in censorship. It's up to Rick
> > >>>if he wants to boot someone off. The minimal standard on FFLife is that
> > >>>we don't post anything that would cause Yahoo to give us an XXX rating.
> > >>>In Ravi's case, he stepped over the line using abusive, pornographic
> > >>>language and offended the sensibilities of what a few posters feel is in
> > >>>good taste, but IMO Ravi's tirade didn't rise to a level that calls for
> > >>>censorship. Maybe there's an element of chivalry of from the guys (deep
> > >>>bow), but I think it's more likely they reacted to what they personally
> > >>>considered offensive. Vaj and Barry regularly stink up the place and we
> > >>>put up with it. So there's a place in the firmament of stinkers on
> > >>>FFLife for Ravi as well as myself. I just hope to be a better person
> > >>>from the experience and consider it a lesson learned for moving on.
> >
> >
> >
> > ***BP: Again, please forgive the few of us that think, its end to end
> > hypocrisy, when Ravi escalates, when provoked, and FFL's lord and master
> > makes rules *on the fly* for the obvious purpose of making Ravi an example
> > when he could just as easily emailed him directly (one assumes, like the
> > rest of us Rick has Ravi's email), and then the class president reappears
> > and calls for a gang bang. I'm sure, its just me, but calling what Vaj and
> > Bubbles do "regularly stinking up the place" seems a touch understated, as
> > does trying to call the *attempted* lynching a "double standard".ÃÂ Its a
> > good thing we have no racists on FFL or I could go on forever. In closing,
> > I must qualify my use of the word lynching; I have no doubt once Raja Ravi
> > Yogi returns we will know that the lynching was *attempted*
> > ---at best (so buckle up).ÃÂ
> >
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZCS5I80X-8&feature=related
> >
> >
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