Fair enough - At this point, I think Ravi is sick of reading my stuff about him. Completely hilarious video! I wonder if the guy in it now walks around with a t-shirt that reads, "I licked the Pope's face"? As for KB/Bubbles, I hope you'll contribute to the betting pool!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price <bobpriced@...> wrote: > > I lurked for some time before I posted, you might want to consider that > before questioning my choice of words. And please, don't think I don't enjoy > your posts, I have watched you more than once send *Bubbles* to bed for the > afternoon. And as I said I'm sure Raja Ravi Yogi thinks I'm nuts to include > you with the gang bangers. Now its time for my nails. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7Xy1nI4Wzw&feature=related > > > ________________________________ > From: whynotnow7 <whynotnow7@...> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2011 9:11:14 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Ravi > > > > Hi Bob, You weren't here when Ravi was putting on quite a show upon his > arrival on FFL. It was done brilliantly, with real links to mental hospitals, > doctors and psychiatrists. I was not taken in, but many others were, and it > was truly an alarming experience for them. After all, no one knew Ravi at > that point. So you may want to consider that, before calling people > hypocrites. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price <bobpriced@> wrote: > > > > I read all these posts, when they were posted. Unless you're > > > > doing a Curtis; you seem to have missed my point. I do not agree with yours > > or > > Alex's interpretation of your exchanges with Ravi. àI don't believe the > > two of you are anywhere near as innocent > > as you'd like the other posters to believe. Alex is passive aggressive, read > > his "projections" response to me last night.àYou, on the other hand, > > are being > > hypocritical; I have no reason to think it's (like Curtis), a permanent > > affliction, > > or, (like Bubbles), that you're a low functioning sociopath, but your > > explanations are BS (hope that doesn't offend). There are numerous examples > > of > > Ravi's points that were completely ignored in the rush to *cyber* lynch > > him, I've > > already mentioned the obvious metaphors he was using; everyone ignored his > > explanation that one might be forgiven for thinking someone who uses a > > handle > > like yours might not be offended by some colorful language; chivalry my ass, > > you're all hypocrites. But like Watergate, or the sudden stop---to the > > fall, the > > cover-up was worse than the break in. I think the posts after Ravi, and > > Judy, > > posted out stink to high heaven of the basest type of mob thinking, and all > > of > > you (not you Bubbles we understand your challenges) should be ashamed of > > yourselves. *Attempting* to get even with someone by discussing their past > > and > > present mental health is nasty, but pretending you're doing it out of some > > type of concern for a fellow human being, is the worst type of hypocrisy. > > > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy#Jung_on_the_General_Hypocrisy_of_Man > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: raunchydog <raunchydog@> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2011 5:34:40 AM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Ravi > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price <bobpriced@> wrote: > > > > > > RD, > > > > > > Since the *attempted* cyber lynching appears to be all but over, except > > > for the clean up, I have a couple of questions for you below; > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: raunchydog <raunchydog@> > > > > > > Hi Robin,Ãâà> > > > > > > > > >>>>RD: I really don't know Ravi very well at all. I haven't read his > > > >>>>posts with much interest except to notice that he has had some > > > >>>>enjoyable back and forth banter with Denise/Emily and Bob Price. My > > > >>>>initial experience of Ravi was about a year ago when he got into such > > > >>>>a depressive state that we had extensive discussions about his mental > > > >>>>health and concern that he might commit suicide. Since then I see > > > >>>>that he has come back from the brink but rightly or wrongly, I still > > > >>>>see him as an unstable individual with the potential to go off the > > > >>>>rails again. Given his history, I think Alex's explanation for what > > > >>>>might have happened with Ravi in the past seems to ring true. > > > > > > > > > ***BP: Do I understand correctly that the reason you *attempted* to > > > provoke Ravi was your concern for his mental stability? > > > > > > > Incorrect. I've already explained the motivation for my actions and the > > sequence of events here: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/297639 > > > > Out of respect for your friendship with Ravi, I'll answer you question. > > Just for the record, despite the row I've had with Ravi, I don't dislike > > him. Since I'm going into far more detail explaining myself than I > > expected, I hope you will at least follow the threads I have outlined > > before judging me. > > > > In a nutshell: Ravi gay baited Alex. I gay baited Ravi. Ravi ranted about > > blowjobs. I dropped it here: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/297404 > > > > I thought Ravi dropped it here: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/297409 > > > > Then I commented on Vaj's link here: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/297443 > > > > Ravi took offense and for no apparent reason, he launched into another > > abusive rant about blowjobs here: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/297571 > > > > At that point Rick stepped in and I stepped back. I did not respond to > > Ravi's rant. In fact I'm on record saying Ravi should not be censored here: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/297765 > > > > I don't know anything about Ravi's mental health other than he is no longer > > talking about suicide. For all the reasons I explained, the notion that I > > provoked Ravi because I was concerned for his mental stability seems to > > imply cruel intent on my part and is simply not true. > > > > > > > Do I also understand correctly that the *attempted* lynching of Raja Ravi > > Yogi, by pretty much all of FFL (excluding Judy, Edg and Oboe) was also out > > of concern for his mental health; > > > > > > > I doubt it, but you'll have to ask them. > > > > > > > and we should ignore the fact that the *attempted* lynching was lead by > > those paragons of emotional maturity Curtis and Bubbles? > > > > > > > Curtis can speak for himself. I note that Judy has a serious beef with him > > for his hypocrisy concerning Barry and Vaj then choosing to pile on Ravi. I > > like Curtis, but I tend to agree with her about his hypocrisy in general on > > the Barry/Vaj front, but that's another story. > > > > Who's Bubbles? By the way "lynching" is a bit of a loaded word for > > historical reasons and unfairly prejudices this discussion. > > > > > > > In addition, the stated fact: "I really don't know Ravi very well at all." > > is no barrier to your meditation or an accurate diagnosis of his mental > > state, and further, being the trained mental health professionals that you > > and the Alex must so obviously be, the two of you had no doubt that > > provoking him was the high road to his recovery? I want to thank you for > > clearing that up; I'm a bit slow; I had thought it was that the two of you > > were being passive aggressive and working on some issues, and Ravi, as > > always, was more than > > >ààhappy to help you out.Ãâà> > > > > > > I get it that you want to defend Ravi. But sarcasm doesn't further, > > discussion. It only shows you're angry with me and would rather hurt me > > than give me a fair hearing. I don't know Ravi. I only know that we were > > concerned for his life about a year ago. I don't know his mental state now, > > but I can assure you, it had nothing to do with how I choose to interact > > with him. I'm happy he is no longer suicidal. I don't know if that was a > > one time event in his life or if it can happen again. Nobody knows. > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgKXK9giPYQ&feature=related > > > > > > > > > >>>>Alex: "I can see why many traditions of awakening get the > > > >>>>samskara/vasana inner work out of the way before awakening, because > > > >>>>once sole identity with the I/me story is broken, it is tempting to > > > >>>>disregard the story as unimportant and let it act out messily. Also, > > > >>>>for people with serious mental health issues, nondual awakening can > > > >>>>make matters worse." > > > > > > > > > ***BP: I'm sure I'm wrong about this; on the off chance Raja Ravi Yogi > > > was using closet and Mother Teresa as a metaphors for ignorance and > > > hypocrisy respectively, would it be fair to interpret yours and Alex's > > > posts as *attempts*, to provoke Ravi; and having the heart of a lion, in > > > a herd of zebras, he accommodated you? ÃâàÃâà> > > > > > > Yes, wrong, but I gotta hand to you, Bob. You're a damn good spin doctor. > > This quote from Alex was way after the fact. By that time, Ravi had already > > had two rants about blowjobs so it had nothing to do with provoking him to > > make those posts. IMO it's was Alex's attempt to make hindsight sense of > > Ravi's abusive behavior. I don't know if it exactly fits Ravi, but I > > wouldn't say it's not possible. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/297682 > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLFi9Xd7yys > > > > > > > > > >>>>RDOG: As long as Ravi isn't threatening to do himself in, I don't > > > >>>>make any claims to know the nature of his present mental stability. > > > >>>>I'm just circumspect about it. > > > > > > > > > ***BP: Since most of us didn't know Raja Ravi Yogi was attempting to off > > > himself (including Ravi) the fact that you and the Alex have his back, > > > will make all of us rest much easier. > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l81W-jcOuj0 > > > > > > > I'm fairly certain it was Ravi who had an emotional meltdown. If it was > > someone else, I'm truly sorry if I am mistaken. As I recall Ravi's meltdown > > was soon after Rick interviewed him for BATGAP. If anyone can find a > > timeline for this, I'd like to see it. Given Ravi's penchant for playing > > tricks, perhaps he was perfectly fine all along and he was just jerking our > > chain. If that's the case, he has officially disowned any responsibility > > for having taken advantage of our natural human response to save his life > > and has no appreciation for our compassion and willingness to help him in > > anyway we could. > > > > > > > > >>>RDOG: Ravi claims he is enlightened. I don't know what that means to > > > >>>him or to anyone else. We all have a POV about it. Maybe I'm > > > >>>misjudging him, or just plain don't understand him but I get the > > > >>>feeling that he thinks his enlightenment gives him a pass to be Mr. > > > >>>Natural of inhibitions. I don't know if anyone's perception of him as > > > >>>enlightened has any bearing on how they choose to interact with him. > > > >>>Regardless, IMO it shouldn't be an excuse to treat him with deference > > > >>>or give him a pass if he chooses to be an asshole. > > > > > > > > > ***BP: This one caught my attention as it seems to be going viral (think > > > recent posts from Rick, Curtis and Bubbles), is there any training needed > > > to be able to measure another persons state of consciousness, or > > > motivation, for that matter? If so, I'm thinking we need an inspector > > > certification to avoid people running around making claims that cannot be > > > substantiated (you know, things like: I was just kidding; he over > > > reacted, because my feelings are hurt---that sort of thing); I'm thinking > > > ISO 666 would be catchy, since most of 9000 is gone. We could take a vote > > > on this, much like the recent *attempted* lynching (sorry, I meant vote) > > > on Raja Ravi Yogi's behavior. My vote would be that we get Rick > > > certified; I think that would really up the overall feel and exclusivity > > > of the place, cause frankly, since Judy and Ravi posted out, the place is > > > feeling a bit paltry. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_9000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>RDOG: I don't doubt the rawness of emotion he felt when he went off > > > >>>>on his blow job rant. He intended to offend me. Yes, I felt offended, > > > >>>>not for his personal attack on me but for the stench it created in > > > >>>>the air on FFLife. Obviously, I provoked that in him by sending him > > > >>>>some fairly stinky barbs myself. Just to be clear, I don't take his > > > >>>>reaction to me as a lesson that I should somehow appreciate his > > > >>>>rancor as an opportunity to reflect upon any darkness residing in the > > > >>>>deepest part of my being. Perhaps this is the premise of those who > > > >>>>see him as a Guru. I do not.Ãâà> > > > > > > > > ***BP: I'm sure I speak for many in thanking you for your concern for the > > > sensibilities of FFL, I was particularly concerned about Steve's wife---I > > > understood from his post that he was concerned that if his wife read ones > > > of Raja Ravi Yogi's posts she might have some kind of reaction, although > > > I don't think Ravi is the type of enlightened man that runs off with > > > another mans wife, particularly a friends---like he considers Steve. I > > > did have one question though; are you more concerned for my sensibilities > > > or Raja Ravi Yogi's mental stability? > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAqmzmirixg&feature=related > > > > > > > Ravi's mental state is his own business. It is not any concern of mine > > unless he threatens to kill himself, in which case I would feel compelled > > to do whatever I could to protect his life. But now, in light of his denial > > that he was suicidal, I would have to wonder if he was just jerking my > > chain. IMO a cruel ploy, by anyone's standards. > > > > > > > > >>>>RDOG: I'll own my part in provoking him. I doubt that he owns his > > > >>>>provocative behavior when he gay-baited Alex or dismissed me as a > > > >>>>woman. In fact it was his stated intention to be provocative. This > > > >>>>whole brouhaha between Ravi and me has turned out to be quite > > > >>>>embarrassing in that I don't enjoy bringing attention to myself. > > > > > > > > > >>>RDOG: I like flying under the radar, posting mostly political stuff so > > > >>>that I can vent my frustrations about the sorry state of the state. I > > > >>>think it's important to be informed about current events. I try to > > > >>>make sense of complicated issues admittedly from a rock solid liberal > > > >>>POV and that may cause me to tilt at a few windmills, but so be it, at > > > >>>least I care about what happens to my country.Ãâà> > > > > > > > > ***BP: As someone who may be the farthest to the left FFL has to offer, > > > I'm guessing Ravi is a > > > dyed in the wool progressive; that said, I believe, like me, he has > > > other outlets for his politics, and, he finds, pointing out what pompous > > > asses and hypocrites, most of us are, much more rewarding (I could be > > > talking my own book here). IMHO, besides any quesion of Ravi's mental > > > health, the biggest canards in the *attempted* lynching of Raja Ravi Yogi > > > are the nonsense > > > that Ravi is homophobic or sexist. > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jF0fIO4tk-g > > > > > > > IMO Ravi gay-baited Alex. Your opinion of what constitutes sexism will > > obviously differ from mine. > > > > > > > > >>>RDOG: I don't know if anything I've said answers your doubts about > > > >>>dealing with Ravi effectively or if I've adequately resolved any > > > >>>remaining personal issues with him to your satisfaction, but it's the > > > >>>best that I've got for now. > > > > > > >>>RDOG:Just for the record, I don't believe in censorship. It's up to > > > >>>Rick if he wants to boot someone off. The minimal standard on FFLife > > > >>>is that we don't post anything that would cause Yahoo to give us an > > > >>>XXX rating. In Ravi's case, he stepped over the line using abusive, > > > >>>pornographic language and offended the sensibilities of what a few > > > >>>posters feel is in good taste, but IMO Ravi's tirade didn't rise to a > > > >>>level that calls for censorship. Maybe there's an element of chivalry > > > >>>of from the guys (deep bow), but I think it's more likely they reacted > > > >>>to what they personally considered offensive. Vaj and Barry regularly > > > >>>stink up the place and we put up with it. So there's a place in the > > > >>>firmament of stinkers on FFLife for Ravi as well as myself. I just > > > >>>hope to be a better person from the experience and consider it a > > > >>>lesson learned for moving on. > > > > > > > > > > > > ***BP: Again, please forgive the few of us that think, its end to end > > > hypocrisy, when Ravi escalates, when provoked, and FFL's lord and master > > > makes rules *on the fly* for the obvious purpose of making Ravi an > > > example when he could just as easily emailed him directly (one assumes, > > > like the rest of us Rick has Ravi's email), and then the class president > > > reappears and calls for a gang bang. I'm sure, its just me, but calling > > > what Vaj and Bubbles do "regularly stinking up the place" seems a touch > > > understated, as does trying to call the *attempted* lynching a "double > > > standard".ÃâàIts a good thing we have no racists on FFL or I could > > > go on forever. In closing, I must qualify my use of the word lynching; I > > > have no doubt once Raja Ravi Yogi returns we will know that the lynching > > > was *attempted* > > > ---at best (so buckle up).Ãâà> > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZCS5I80X-8&feature=related > > > > > > > > >ààÃâàÃâà> > > > Oh please, are you playing the race card or saying that Ravi thinks this is > > about race? You're way off base on that one. After I commented on Vaj's > > link and thought the dust had settled, without *any* provocation, IMO Ravi > > lynched himself. If he hadn't made that last blowjob post and Jim hadn't > > asked, "WTF was that about?" I wouldn't have listed all the links making my > > case and no one would have noticed that Ravi had been an abusive asshole > > from the git go. > > > > > >  Ã Ã > > > > >  >
