Jim, I have no doubt Ravi will forgive you; and I certainty have no problem any more with your enlightenment. I agree with you that assuming anything about someones consciousness, based on behavior, is nonsense. Also, I should be nice to you because I may need your help lifting *Bubbles* into the ambulance. That said, I wouldn't want you watching my back in the dark end of the alley. And, I thought you might have figured out by now that I'm not overly attached to my *adult* persona.
________________________________ From: whynotnow7 <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2011 4:17:50 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Ravi Oops, I thought I was interacting with another adult, Bob. My mistake. --- In [email protected], Bob Price <bobpriced@...> wrote: > > > > Save it for Ravi Jim, he has a much bigger heart than I do. > > > Do you have any clue how dumb your second paragraph makes you sound? > > > > ________________________________ > From: whynotnow7 <whynotnow7@...> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2011 9:49:22 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey Ravi > > > > Hi Bob, I did not try to "cyber lynch" Ravi, so please include me with Oboe > and the others. RD has been on here a long time and Ravi's stuff didn't fit > the object of his rant, however well intentioned. > > As for the implication to us all through the video clip, I grew up with brown > people, not whiteys. I lived mostly in SE Asia until I was 19. They raised > me. I spoke the languages of Indonesia, the Philippines and Hong Kong. > Thankfully the last two were primarily English, with a smattering of Tagalog > and Cantonese. Also lived in Mexico, Spain, Fiji, and Surinam. So no big deal > about Ravi having a really, really good tan. > > --- In [email protected], Bob Price <bobpriced@> wrote: > > > > RD, > > > > Since the *attempted* cyber lynching appears to be all but over, except for > > the clean up, I have a couple of questions for you below; > > > > ________________________________ > > From: raunchydog <raunchydog@> > > > > Hi Robin, > > > > > > >>>>RD: I really don't know Ravi very well at all. I haven't read his posts > > >>>>with much interest except to notice that he has had some enjoyable back > > >>>>and forth banter with Denise/Emily and Bob Price. My initial experience > > >>>>of Ravi was about a year ago when he got into such a depressive state > > >>>>that we had extensive discussions about his mental health and concern > > >>>>that he might commit suicide. Since then I see that he has come back > > >>>>from the brink but rightly or wrongly, I still see him as an unstable > > >>>>individual with the potential to go off the rails again. Given his > > >>>>history, I think Alex's explanation for what might have happened with > > >>>>Ravi in the past seems to ring true. > > > > > > ***BP: Do I understand correctly that the reason you *attempted* to provoke > > Ravi was your concern for his mental stability? Do I also understand > > correctly that the *attempted* lynching of Raja Ravi Yogi, by pretty much > > all of FFL (excluding Judy, Edg and Oboe) was also out of concern for his > > mental health; and we should ignore the fact that the *attempted* lynching > > was lead by those paragons of emotional maturity Curtis and Bubbles? In > > addition, the stated fact: "I really don't know Ravi very well at all." is > > no barrier to your meditation or an accurate diagnosis of his mental state, > > and further, being the trained mental health professionals that you and the > > Alex must so obviously be, the two of you had no doubt that provoking him > > was the high road to his recovery? I want to thank you for clearing that > > up; I'm a bit slow; I had thought it was that the two of you were being > > passive aggressive and working on some issues, and Ravi, as always, was more than > >  happy to help you out. > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgKXK9giPYQ&feature=related > > > > > > > > > > >>>>Alex: "I can see why many traditions of awakening get the > > >>>>samskara/vasana inner work out of the way before awakening, because > > >>>>once sole identity with the I/me story is broken, it is tempting to > > >>>>disregard the story as unimportant and let it act out messily. Also, > > >>>>for people with serious mental health issues, nondual awakening can > > >>>>make matters worse." > > > > > > ***BP: I'm sure I'm wrong about this; on the off chance Raja Ravi Yogi was > > using closet and Mother Teresa as a metaphors for ignorance and hypocrisy > > respectively, would it be fair to interpret yours and Alex's posts as > > *attempts*, to provoke Ravi; and having the heart of a lion, in a herd of > > zebras, he accommodated you?   > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLFi9Xd7yys > > > > > > >>>>RDOG: As long as Ravi isn't threatening to do himself in, I don't make > > >>>>any claims to know the nature of his present mental stability. I'm just > > >>>>circumspect about it. > > > > > > ***BP: Since most of us didn't know Raja Ravi Yogi was attempting to off > > himself (including Ravi) the fact that you and the Alex have his back, will > > make all of us rest much easier. > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l81W-jcOuj0 > > > > > > > > >>>RDOG: Ravi claims he is enlightened. I don't know what that means to him > > >>>or to anyone else. We all have a POV about it. Maybe I'm misjudging him, > > >>>or just plain don't understand him but I get the feeling that he thinks > > >>>his enlightenment gives him a pass to be Mr. Natural of inhibitions. I > > >>>don't know if anyone's perception of him as enlightened has any bearing > > >>>on how they choose to interact with him. Regardless, IMO it shouldn't be > > >>>an excuse to treat him with deference or give him a pass if he chooses > > >>>to be an asshole. > > > > > > ***BP: This one caught my attention as it seems to be going viral (think > > recent posts from Rick, Curtis and Bubbles), is there any training needed > > to be able to measure another persons state of consciousness, or > > motivation, for that matter? If so, I'm thinking we need an inspector > > certification to avoid people running around making claims that cannot be > > substantiated (you know, things like: I was just kidding; he over reacted, > > because my feelings are hurt---that sort of thing); I'm thinking ISO 666 > > would be catchy, since most of 9000 is gone. We could take a vote on this, > > much like the recent *attempted* lynching (sorry, I meant vote) on Raja > > Ravi Yogi's behavior. My vote would be that we get Rick certified; I think > > that would really up the overall feel and exclusivity of the place, cause > > frankly, since Judy and Ravi posted out, the place is feeling a bit paltry. > > > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_9000 > > > > > > > > > > >>>>RDOG: I don't doubt the rawness of emotion he felt when he went off on > > >>>>his blow job rant. He intended to offend me. Yes, I felt offended, not > > >>>>for his personal attack on me but for the stench it created in the air > > >>>>on FFLife. Obviously, I provoked that in him by sending him some fairly > > >>>>stinky barbs myself. Just to be clear, I don't take his reaction to me > > >>>>as a lesson that I should somehow appreciate his rancor as an > > >>>>opportunity to reflect upon any darkness residing in the deepest part > > >>>>of my being. Perhaps this is the premise of those who see him as a > > >>>>Guru. I do not. > > > > > > ***BP: I'm sure I speak for many in thanking you for your concern for the > > sensibilities of FFL, I was particularly concerned about Steve's wife---I > > understood from his post that he was concerned that if his wife read ones > > of Raja Ravi Yogi's posts she might have some kind of reaction, although I > > don't think Ravi is the type of enlightened man that runs off with another > > mans wife, particularly a friends---like he considers Steve. I did have one > > question though; are you more concerned for my sensibilities or Raja Ravi > > Yogi's mental stability? > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAqmzmirixg&feature=related > > > > > > > > >>>>RDOG: I'll own my part in provoking him. I doubt that he owns his > > >>>>provocative behavior when he gay-baited Alex or dismissed me as a > > >>>>woman. In fact it was his stated intention to be provocative. This > > >>>>whole brouhaha between Ravi and me has turned out to be quite > > >>>>embarrassing in that I don't enjoy bringing attention to myself. > > > > > > >>>RDOG: I like flying under the radar, posting mostly political stuff so > > >>>that I can vent my frustrations about the sorry state of the state. I > > >>>think it's important to be informed about current events. I try to make > > >>>sense of complicated issues admittedly from a rock solid liberal POV and > > >>>that may cause me to tilt at a few windmills, but so be it, at least I > > >>>care about what happens to my country. > > > > > > ***BP: As someone who may be the farthest to the left FFL has to offer, I'm > > guessing Ravi is a > > dyed in the wool progressive; that said, I believe, like me, he has > > other outlets for his politics, and, he finds, pointing out what pompous > > asses and hypocrites, most of us are, much more rewarding (I could be > > talking my own book here). IMHO, besides any quesion of Ravi's mental > > health, the biggest canards in the *attempted* lynching of Raja Ravi Yogi > > are the nonsense > > that Ravi is homophobic or sexist. > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jF0fIO4tk-g > > > > > > > > >>>RDOG: I don't know if anything I've said answers your doubts about > > >>>dealing with Ravi effectively or if I've adequately resolved any > > >>>remaining personal issues with him to your satisfaction, but it's the > > >>>best that I've got for now. > > > > >>>RDOG:Just for the record, I don't believe in censorship. It's up to Rick > > >>>if he wants to boot someone off. The minimal standard on FFLife is that > > >>>we don't post anything that would cause Yahoo to give us an XXX rating. > > >>>In Ravi's case, he stepped over the line using abusive, pornographic > > >>>language and offended the sensibilities of what a few posters feel is in > > >>>good taste, but IMO Ravi's tirade didn't rise to a level that calls for > > >>>censorship. Maybe there's an element of chivalry of from the guys (deep > > >>>bow), but I think it's more likely they reacted to what they personally > > >>>considered offensive. Vaj and Barry regularly stink up the place and we > > >>>put up with it. So there's a place in the firmament of stinkers on > > >>>FFLife for Ravi as well as myself. I just hope to be a better person > > >>>from the experience and consider it a lesson learned for moving on. > > > > > > > > ***BP: Again, please forgive the few of us that think, its end to end > > hypocrisy, when Ravi escalates, when provoked, and FFL's lord and master > > makes rules *on the fly* for the obvious purpose of making Ravi an example > > when he could just as easily emailed him directly (one assumes, like the > > rest of us Rick has Ravi's email), and then the class president reappears > > and calls for a gang bang. I'm sure, its just me, but calling what Vaj and > > Bubbles do "regularly stinking up the place" seems a touch understated, as > > does trying to call the *attempted* lynching a "double standard". Its a > > good thing we have no racists on FFL or I could go on forever. In closing, > > I must qualify my use of the word lynching; I have no doubt once Raja Ravi > > Yogi returns we will know that the lynching was *attempted* > > ---at best (so buckle up). > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZCS5I80X-8&feature=related > > > > > >  Â Â > > > > >  >
