Hi, my point was not that I find some subjects less offensive than others. It is that you are a little fast with that trigger finger when anyone other than the "known" assholes acts out of line. Please reconsider that perspective, and you'll probably see where I am coming from.
--- In [email protected], "seventhray1" <steve.sundur@...> wrote: > > > Jim, you're right. I have to learn that others can read the same things > I do and come to completely different conclusions. To me, making > insinuations about a person sex life, or imply sexual perversions would > be an area we would want to stay away from for various reasons, not the > least of which is that some people are pretty transparant about their > real identities. And because of that, you would think that there would > be an unspoken understanding that we don't tread in these areas for > gratuitous venting. > > But as is often the case, if it's not affecting "me", then we are less > concerned about it. > > But obviously that is not a view shared by many others. And I would not > hesitate to take a stand against them. > --- In [email protected], "futur.musik" <futur.musik@> > wrote: > > > > Hi Steve, I didn't begin to cast my vitriol in anyone's direction on > here until it became clear to me they have zero to contribute, except > shutting down people's ideas, and being nasty. With Curtis, I like > Curtis - I am sometimes pointed about my impressions of him. So what? I > basically respect him. > > > > If it turns out that Ravi is out to injure our reputations and does > this sort of thing regularly, I wont be happy about it, but that is > quite a leap from here. So far, all I see is him messing around with you > and others, and creating a disturbance, and being very upfront about it. > > > > He doesn't even begin to rise to the level of stupidity and plain > obnoxiousness as a couple of others here. > > > > --- In [email protected], "seventhray1" steve.sundur@ > wrote: > > > > > > Do I understand this right Jim? You who are the most vitriolic in > your > > > comments to Barry, Vaj, and to a lessor extent Curtis, now come in > with > > > some philosophical justification of why we don't need to call out BS > and > > > dishonesty when and where we see it. I call it hypocrisy. > > > Yea, it's uncomfortable to have to call out people we like when they > > > have stepped far out of bounds, but when we don't it's pretty > obvious, > > > and doesn't reflect too well on us. > > > --- In [email protected], "futur.musik" <futur.musik@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Susan, One thing I like to watch on FFL is context. I don't > know if > > > you remember even a year ago or less, when one or two of the folks > here > > > would write daily screeds against whole groups of people, a low > level > > > toxicity on a daily basis - more politically correct certainly, but > not > > > dissimilar to having a racist continually rant against black people. > > > > > > > > It became the norm. Most of us just laughed it off. Sometimes the > > > attacks got very nasty, and were always distorted, but almost no one > > > noticed. This became daily life on FFL. We were used to it. > > > > > > > > Then several months ago, a new group of posters showed up and, lo > and > > > behold, they are fiercely challenging what has become the status quo > > > here. Just by showing up they have created an environment closer to > what > > > was intended when FFL started; the will to discover, vs. believe. > > > > > > > > I for one find it refreshing that it is once again possible to > talk > > > about anything at all on here, without having long winded tracts of > BS > > > stinking up the place on a daily basis. I don't agree with > everything > > > that is said here, but at least now there is variety and vitality. > > > > > > > > As for anything said about Curtis, he isn't shy about his opinions > and > > > can take care of himself I am sure. Please correct me on that if I > am > > > wrong Curtis, though I will cringe if you do... > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Susan" wayback71@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "curtisdeltablues" > > > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "curtisdeltablues" > > > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow, nothing like hearing an excellent reputation that my > ass > > > > > > > > now has to try to live up to! Thanks Marek! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Untethered" is such an excellent word. I think the egging > on > > > > > > > > has to do with the fact that some of the new posters > figured > > > > > > > > out the social system. If you throw mud at Barry and Vaj > and > > > > > > > > myself, certain people will have your back. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Says Curtis, parroting one of Barry's more ridiculous > > > > > > > excuses, a variant of the one he borrowed yesterday. > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt with that > reason. > > > Then you genuinely support Ravi lying about why I left the movement > on a > > > public forum, his constant use of a slur against people with mental > > > disabilities, and and trollish offensive language toward me. > > > > > > > > > > Hey Judy, you know that I like reading you and respect your > honesty > > > and common sense. I can't figure out what has been going on with you > > > and your willingness to overlook what just happened with Ravi, and > what > > > has been happening with him. You may dislike Curtis, but come > on...... > > > Ravi is crossing so many lines here. The only thing I can think of > is > > > that you got sucked in to a battle you would normally see through. > You > > > can like Ravi all you want, and still call him on things like using > > > "retard," gratuitous insults, and spreading rumors about Curtis. > > > Frankly, you and the other fans of Ravi are all feeding into his > drama - > > > and I don't see that as a kindness to him. And more important, of > > > course, it is really lying about someone else's reputation, > something I > > > know you would not stand for if Curtis were not the victim.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Your double standards goes so much deeper than I imagined. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was a simple > > > > > > > > social formula that has shielded some posters from a more > > > > > > > > unanimous group, WTF? In this particular context I think > > > > > > > > there is a callus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (callous, adj.; callus, noun) (This correction is provided > > > > > > > so Curtis can make a show of thanking me for it while > > > > > > > pointedly ignoring the rest of what I said.) > > > > > > > > > > > > As always I appreciate these corrections that my robots failed > me > > > on. The last time it was the only thing worth commenting on in your > > > post and it caused such a fuss. The exact one I was trying to avoid > by > > > not responding to your taunts in that post. > > > > > > > > > > > > And unlike Ravi (that is a long A right?) I have a serious > > > commitment to the integrity of my point of view on the movement > > > following my participation in it. Unlike you ,whose strongest > > > connection with the movement is your years of Internet arguments > about > > > it, I have a deep history working in the organization and those are > the > > > experiences I bring to bear as my creditability when I raise my new > POV. > > > So although anyone here may know from where Ravi is pulling this lie > > > (hint, lack of sun) I don't want to hear this on the next MUM > student > > > Youtube from Bobby Roth. > > > > > > > > > > > > So it matters, and you know it matters to me, but you have > chosen > > > your battles. OK, that's how it rolls here. > > > > > > > > > > > > But please don't expect me to view your support for his > behavior > > > to be anything less than direct hypocrisy in the exact area you and > > > others give me the most shit about. So we can now put to rest any > > > version of your routine about me calling Barry out, right? You are a > > > fraud and a poseur of virtue, contrived by malevolent convenience. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disregard for the welfare of this person being played as a > > > > > > > > pawn. There is something unseemly going on in this > dynamic, > > > > > > > > and I appreciate your speaking up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Do you really not understand that Ravi has actual problems > > > > > > > that shouldn't be speculated about on the Internet like he > > > > > > > is our private intellectual toy?"--Curtis to Robin, awhile > > > > > > > back > > > > > > > > > > > > I haven't even begun to speculate on Ravi's situation in > detail > > > Judy, I've been pulling all my punches as you well know. But the > > > situation I am dealing with is of such an obvious nature, nothing > needs > > > to be said between me and anyone without your personal agenda. > > > > > > > > > > > > But I have no reason to pull my punches with you so here goes. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ravi's lie about why I left the movement was reframed as a > "tweek" > > > by you because you wouldn't mind if such an outspoken critic of all > > > things Maharishi was plagued by an internet rumor as having been > > > expelled against his will for immoral conduct. You let it slide in a > > > demonstration of Carl Rovian tactics against people you disagree > with. > > > > > > > > > > > > So now we both have felt these shoes on both feet haven't we > Judy. > > > Perhaps now you can understand what I mean when I say I pick my > battles > > > here. And you can drop the pretense that you are acting differently > > > here, running around correcting people for what are obvious, hurtful > > > lies in the context of obnoxious mean-spirited trolling. > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't care if you correct his behavior or not, or why you > don't. > > > I don't need you to help him make a fool of himself here. But I > would > > > appreciate your understanding where I am coming from a little better > and > > > not giving me shit for doing exactly what you are doing here, > letting > > > people fight their own battles, and dropping in when you feel like > > > something interests you or you want to give someone a "tweek". > > > > > > > > > > > > Just stop being such a F'ing hypocrite about it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Si capisce? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been fascinated by how far people can stretch their > oft > > > quoted principles to encourage the enemy of their enemy. It is > > > revealing many trollish agendas here. But with kind words from some > > > posters here, like yourself, I feel as if there is another option > for > > > those who value it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks man. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "marekreavis" > > > <reavismarek@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's not my habit, at least for the last year or so, to > > > interject my opinion into an ongoing thread, but following FFL for > the > > > last month or two, it's amazed me to observe the willingness of some > > > folks here to glorify and encourage what, in my opinion and > experience, > > > appears to be some very untethered behavior by some of the more > recent > > > and prolific posters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And even more inexplicably, to gang up on Curtis, for > > > attempting, in a straightforward yet still compassionate way, to > engage > > > in a reasonable exchange with, and criticism of, those individuals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For what it's worth, in my estimation Curtis is a true, > > > shining example of what I'd always hoped the TM movement to produce. > > > There's certainly no one on this board from whom I've learned more. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Curtis certainly doesn't need any endorsement from me, > but I > > > felt compelled to write, regardless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
