I lived in the Bay Area (Berkeley) for six years and although I've been in a few bars and clubs in San Francisco, I'm not personally familiar with Mist. I'm sure they try, as all bar owners do, to not have underaged persons consume alcohol on their premises. That doesn't make them 100% successful in those attempts.
Both my children are grown, though my daughter did live with me in Berkeley while she was still underage and I learned after the fact that she and other of her friends had been served alcohol in bars and clubs both in the East Bay as well as San Francisco. Friends of mine, who grew up in the Bay Area, have also related to me stories of underaged drinking and clubbing. There's nothing surprising about that; that's why there's laws on the books prohibiting the behavior. It can't come as a surprise that people break the law and do so with regularity and in volume. *** --- In [email protected], "futur.musik" <futur.musik@...> wrote: > > OK. I was referring specifically to SF where Mist is located. > Do you have children? > > --- In [email protected], "marekreavis" <reavismarek@> wrote: > > > > As a former bar owner in California I'm familiar with both the laws re > > alcohol sales and the relentless effort of underaged persons to circumvent > > those laws, oftentimes with the assistance of adults. The scenario that Mr. > > Chivukula described and Curtis commented upon is not only a plausible one, > > but, as Curtis pointed out, a pretty common one, strict laws and harsh > > penalties notwithstanding. Whether the specific event described was true or > > a lie no one here knows. > > > > I assume that children pretty much do all the things (or type of things) > > that their parents did in their youth, and then some, even if they don't > > tell their parents about it. > > > > *** > > > > --- In [email protected], "futur.musik" <futur.musik@> wrote: > > > > > > Yep, all true. My daughter used to go to clubs in SF before she could > > > drink and there was no way she would be able to get a beer or anything > > > else, except soft drinks and water. > > > > > > --- In [email protected], obbajeeba <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > If you lived in San Francisco and knew the club Ravi was referring to, > > > > has tight restrictions to get into the club in the first place. Second, > > > > if there were "minors," allowed in, they do not have the stamps on > > > > their hands like the legal requirement age does. To hand over a shot in > > > > a club like that, would get one kicked out, thrown out and even > > > > arrested by the management if a legal aged person is caught giving a > > > > minor alcohol. The city is very strict on ordinances, the county and > > > > state levels, the management at that venue, especially in particular > > > > follows the rules. > > > > Ravi was pulling your legs and they ain't very long to pull, if you > > > > know what I mean. > > > > Ravi is more aware of what he writes than you think. > > > > > > > > You dudes are attempting to put his hotdog on a slicer. You are worse > > > > that Mrs. Bobbitt. Love and peace and we can all share, alright? ; ) > > > > > > > > O' lord of the flies, do you see the shit growing on here.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "marekreavis" <reavismarek@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > An 18-year old in California is not a minor, but is prohibited from > > > > > consuming alcohol. Furnishing alcohol to someone under the age of 21 > > > > > is a violation of Business & Professions Vode section 25658, a > > > > > misdemeanor offense punishable by no more than one year in the county > > > > > jail and a fine. > > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > --- In [email protected], nablusoss1008 <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "curtisdeltablues" > > > > > > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The one you seem unfamiliar with, the real one. We protect our > > > > > > > minors on this side of the ocean. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is a 19 year old woman a minor ? > > > > > > Weird place your California... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Contributing to the Delinquency of a Minor" California > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Penal Code 272 PC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Contributing to the delinquency of a minor is a common crime > > > > > > > for which thousands of people in California get prosecuted every > > > > > > > year. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The most classic scenario is an adult who gets caught supplying > > > > > > > alcohol or drugs to a teenager. But as the article below > > > > > > > explains, Penal Code 272 PC is actually much broader than most > > > > > > > people realize. Parents and strangers alike can get prosecuted > > > > > > > for any behavior that tends to lead a minor down a path towards > > > > > > > criminality, truancy from school, or becoming a dependant of the > > > > > > > juvenile court." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sure the arrest would go smoothly and not result in any > > > > > > > additional charges for wacky erratic behavior and that his > > > > > > > employer and contentious ex would be sympathetic about this > > > > > > > matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh yeah, and lets not forget this wasn't wine with dinner, this > > > > > > > was tequila shots, so if she careens into a family of four on her > > > > > > > way home, or is physically harmed in any way as a result of his > > > > > > > actions, it all gets promoted to a felony. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But don't worry Nabbie, he was just kidding and as Judy pointed > > > > > > > out, I tricked him into saying all this stuff in that way only > > > > > > > she and Robin can detect. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], nablusoss1008 <no_reply@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "seventhray1" > > > > > > > > <steve.sundur@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Excellent push back Curtis. I feel much better. That type > > > > > > > > > of spin put > > > > > > > > > on by Judy and some others cannot be allowed to go > > > > > > > > > uncontested. I simply > > > > > > > > > cannot get dialed in to the justification that Judy (in > > > > > > > > > particular) and > > > > > > > > > others feel they need to provide to Ravi. I am in total > > > > > > > > > agreement with > > > > > > > > > your analysis. Of course Ravi interacted with that 19 year > > > > > > > > > old as he > > > > > > > > > described. And you know what, who cares. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Curtis got all excited because Ravi gave a drink to this girl > > > > > > > > of 19, claiming she is underaged. In my world she is a woman. > > > > > > > > What kind of weird world is he living in ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
