Susan, 

Whew, thanks, that actually helped a lot.  And that's surprises me greatly.

Edg


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" <wayback71@...> wrote:
>
> 
> Edg,
> You really gave it all you had!  I gather you moved to Ffld, did the MSAE, 
> everything.  Sorry to hear what happened and how it hurt you.
> I think you are describing what goes on in most groups, especially religious 
> or spiritual, but also corporate, social. Some groups are more discrete and 
> attempt to be more fair, but newbie groups don't do that, and we were all so 
> striving and young and without older people to set the right tone.
> 
>  Money does buy an in and buys attention and perks and fawning. I get it, but 
> your point is also that as a hard-working underpaid, devoted teacher of TM 
> who put their worldly ambitions on hold to convey this wonderful knowledge - 
> you were not appreciated. People like you should have been given buckets of 
> gratitude and some perks, if not more compensation.  It seemed to mean more 
> to the insiders if a person was rich and barely doing TM than if they had 
> devoted themselves to this endeavor as you did. Galling since you taught over 
> 2,000 people TM!!  I know many people felt that initiators were not treated 
> as  the devoted souls they were - at least during the late 70's and 80's. 
> There was  super hierarchical feel in some groups. (I also have good memories 
> of higher ups in the TMO being very respectful of anyone (even without money) 
> who taught TM. Keith WAllace comes to mind, and Jerry too..
> 
> I sensed things changed a while ago, and especially in the last few years.  
> Money will always separate people in many ways but maybe things are different 
> now.  I do not know. 
>  You did great things, all those pujas, And seeing the peace on the faces of 
> some of the people who learned TM from you.
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <no_reply@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Why?
> > > 
> > > Because, from the start, the hierarchical structure was so obvious.
> > > 
> > > I wasn't an initiator for starters, so right there, I knew I wasn't an 
> > > insider.
> > > 
> > > Then when I got to be an initiator, by then, I knew that Jerry Jarvis et 
> > > alia were in a whole 'nother class of folks -- they had access.
> > > 
> > > And also, I saw a parade of rich folks getting access -- there's one 
> > > incident that still burns in my mind:  a rich person came to our Majorca 
> > > course and sat next to Maharishi and held his hand while being 
> > > interviewed.  HELD HIS HAND!  Up to that time, I'd only heard that 
> > > Maharishi had done that ONCE while walking with Tat Wala Baba.  Yet a 
> > > rich guy had not even been informed (warned) about movement protocols 
> > > such that he showed such outrageous familiarity.
> > > 
> > > And then there was the course office goons who made it their thing to put 
> > > everyone in their place.
> > > 
> > > Nah, I never was "important" to the movement even after 2,000 people 
> > > taught.....my reward:  they took away my five thousand dollars worth of 
> > > earned credits towards ATR and advanced techniques. 
> > 
> > Poor Edg really got the shaft, well....your reward will be in heaven! ;-)
> > 
> > PS I can relate...
> >  
> > > And then after moving to Fairfield, MSAE turns out to be run by the rich 
> > > parents.  
> > > 
> > > And then the raja thingie pretty much topped it all off.
> > > 
> > > Note:  even Jerry was kicked out of the movement.
> > > 
> > > Nope. Not a one of us was ever really in a movement at all -- not when 
> > > the movement always saw one as expendable.  
> > > 
> > > Yet I tried to belong for 29 years.  I never once got to do anything but 
> > > look up the noses looking down at me.  
> > > 
> > > Edg
> > >
> >
>


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