Feste37, So I guess any complaints by you are legitimately to be as easily dismissed. Ooooo, that's gunna sting, eh? You can never say you were forced into any karma, if it's logical to say that I wasn't forced into mine.
But, hey, I agree with you. Who isn't responsible for every speck of their karma? The issue is not that I'm stupid or in denial or that I've always been empowered to change my life (all true;) the issue is that the core selfishness of humans remained untouched by the TM technique such that all these negative dynamics of the movement continued instead of "being gradually dissolved by the evolution of the TM culture's individuals' practicing of TM." TM doesn't do jack shit on personality. There's the open truth that true believers try to deny. Dr. Bloomfield. Ed Beckley. The commodities firms. The murder on campus. The serial rapist. The illegality of money-running across international borders. The personalities of the various ninnies ensconced in the niches of the TM bureaucracy. Me. You. Where has TM changed any of the above? THAT was my point, Feste37. That I was surprisingly satisfied that someone here would pat me on the back and say, "there there, it's okay, I understand," is another discussion. That I wallow in self-pity still another. You want to be my shrink? Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <feste37@...> wrote: > Edg just likes feeling sorry for himself and playing the victim. No one ever > forced him to be in the TM movement or stay in it. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" <steve.sundur@> wrote: > > > > > > Hey Edg, you know I love you like a brother, but having just seen "The > > Avengers", (sort of dumb I thought. well a little better than John > > Carter, but not by much), do you feel any affinity to the Incredible > > Hulk? I mean, really, I do see some resemblance. I think you may be > > the smartest person here on FFL, but jeez, sometimes that temper flares, > > and I don't recognize the person who comes out. > > > > Just saying Edg. Sometimes that temper flares............ > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > Susan, > > > > > > Whew, thanks, that actually helped a lot. And that's surprises me > > greatly. > > > > > > Edg > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" wayback71@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Edg, > > > > You really gave it all you had! I gather you moved to Ffld, did the > > MSAE, everything. Sorry to hear what happened and how it hurt you. > > > > I think you are describing what goes on in most groups, especially > > religious or spiritual, but also corporate, social. Some groups are more > > discrete and attempt to be more fair, but newbie groups don't do that, > > and we were all so striving and young and without older people to set > > the right tone. > > > > > > > > Money does buy an in and buys attention and perks and fawning. I get > > it, but your point is also that as a hard-working underpaid, devoted > > teacher of TM who put their worldly ambitions on hold to convey this > > wonderful knowledge - you were not appreciated. People like you should > > have been given buckets of gratitude and some perks, if not more > > compensation. It seemed to mean more to the insiders if a person was > > rich and barely doing TM than if they had devoted themselves to this > > endeavor as you did. Galling since you taught over 2,000 people TM!! I > > know many people felt that initiators were not treated as the devoted > > souls they were - at least during the late 70's and 80's. There was > > super hierarchical feel in some groups. (I also have good memories of > > higher ups in the TMO being very respectful of anyone (even without > > money) who taught TM. Keith WAllace comes to mind, and Jerry too.. > > > > > > > > I sensed things changed a while ago, and especially in the last few > > years. Money will always separate people in many ways but maybe things > > are different now. I do not know. > > > > You did great things, all those pujas, And seeing the peace on the > > faces of some of the people who learned TM from you. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Why? > > > > > > > > > > > > Because, from the start, the hierarchical structure was so > > obvious. > > > > > > > > > > > > I wasn't an initiator for starters, so right there, I knew I > > wasn't an insider. > > > > > > > > > > > > Then when I got to be an initiator, by then, I knew that Jerry > > Jarvis et alia were in a whole 'nother class of folks -- they had > > access. > > > > > > > > > > > > And also, I saw a parade of rich folks getting access -- there's > > one incident that still burns in my mind: a rich person came to our > > Majorca course and sat next to Maharishi and held his hand while being > > interviewed. HELD HIS HAND! Up to that time, I'd only heard that > > Maharishi had done that ONCE while walking with Tat Wala Baba. Yet a > > rich guy had not even been informed (warned) about movement protocols > > such that he showed such outrageous familiarity. > > > > > > > > > > > > And then there was the course office goons who made it their > > thing to put everyone in their place. > > > > > > > > > > > > Nah, I never was "important" to the movement even after 2,000 > > people taught.....my reward: they took away my five thousand dollars > > worth of earned credits towards ATR and advanced techniques. > > > > > > > > > > Poor Edg really got the shaft, well....your reward will be in > > heaven! ;-) > > > > > > > > > > PS I can relate... > > > > > > > > > > > And then after moving to Fairfield, MSAE turns out to be run by > > the rich parents. > > > > > > > > > > > > And then the raja thingie pretty much topped it all off. > > > > > > > > > > > > Note: even Jerry was kicked out of the movement. > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope. Not a one of us was ever really in a movement at all -- > > not when the movement always saw one as expendable. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yet I tried to belong for 29 years. I never once got to do > > anything but look up the noses looking down at me. > > > > > > > > > > > > Edg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
