Emily - just catching up on the last day or so on FFL. Most scientists agree that we humans have made climate change happen much faster than it would have otherwise - at the very least we have a big part in the process. Whether we would be going thru some cyclical, natural climate change without humans on the planet is a question that, from what I understand, no one can answer. But it is not the rigth question - because there is no doubt from scientists that our actions, greenhouse gas release etc are making this happen more intensely and faster. Whether we are the sole cause or simply making it all happen faster and bigger, does not matter any more. We have to slow this down or things will be very bad for us all.
At this point, the question is can we slow this down, and if so, how? If we as a planet changed how we live, things would be much better than they are going to be if we don't. But it requires major major changes in lifestyle to make much of a difference. That will not happen. So some genius science invention is the answer. Even if we change our lifestyles now the changes will continue for some time (not sure for how long). The stuff is in the air already and it is hard to "go backward." There is the concept of a "tipping point" beyond which the changes will be inevitable and happen very very fast indeed. That tipping point is considered to be when the methane gases that are stored in tundra and underneath the seabeds is released in huge bubbles and bursts. There is tons and tons and tons of that stored. The warming of the seas will cause it to be released in vast quantities. Then things will change very very fast indeed and be unstoppable. Like a landslide. I don't mean to sound negative, but this is my understanding from what I have read. The melting of the ice at the polar caps that is happening and allowing shipping in once frozen waters - that's what is the first stage of the release of the methane stored in the tundra up there. So, we need brilliant scientists to work on how to counteract greenhouse gases that already are in the air and those that will be released, or to develop ways to take the heat out of the atmosphere (seeding clouds with tiny mirrors to reflect sunlight away from earth is one such project). There are people researching these things, but they worry that their solutions may affect our climate in other, unforseen ways that could also wreak havoc. This is THE issue for the planet and unless it is somehow corrected, not much else is going to be important. Life will change dramatically. I hold great hope for the scientists, but it is a race against time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > Dear Buck, > > > > Please note that the grass is NOT greener on the other side of the fence. > > It just appears that way. > > > > Sincerely, > > The grass on the other side of the fence > > > > We done this to ourselves burning fossil fuels. Look at the 70 unit coal > trains per day roaring through Fairfield to points east and coming back again > empty every day. That black coal is carbon, beautiful nearly pure carbon. > Where do you think it goes at that rate of 70 trains full a day? It is kind > of elementary science. There should not even be a debate. The question now > is what are we going to do about it? Plant wheat or soybeans? Which one is > more drought resistant and provides more food? I got 50 acres I need to > plant. It is a real question. Would seeding hay pasture and alfalfa even > take in a dry hot year like last year again? The ground subsoil water is not > re-charging. The People who have driven big cars and lived in mac-mansions > and just go off and vacation in London and exotic places have done this to us. > -Buck, out standing in his fields. > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn <emilymae.reyn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Wow Susan, let us not change the topic.  Curiously, do you think that > > > > we are just contributors to a planetary cycle already in process or do > > > > you think we, as humans, are the reason this process is happening?  I > > > > am posing the simplistic main question I hear when out and about. > > > > > > > > > > Great Question. Shows the utter failure of our public schools to teach > > > elementary earth sciences that we should doubt what is going on. The > > > trace of less than 'One third of one percent' of the air we breath is > > > most all that protects and regulates our atmosphere and allows us to even > > > live on this planet. That we increase that trace now by 50 percent and > > > there would not be a change in climate? That is shear ignorance showing. > > > It is idiocy to contend that it is not anthropocentric. You can't take > > > the trace of less than 'one third of one percent' and double it and not > > > expect that there will be climate change along the way. > > > That is the simple answer. > > > -Buck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: Susan <wayback71@> > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > Sent: Monday, December 3, 2012 6:29 PM > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The End of the World as we Know It > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > There has been lots of regularly reported info out for at least 8 years > > > > now. No one reads it, or has taken it seriously, even though there is > > > > plenty of scientific data behind it and has been. This is the most > > > > significant problem of all for humanity and for this planet, but people > > > > have focused on other s..t all these years. > > > > > > > > The only real change in the last decade is that the whole process of > > > > global warming is happening EVEN FASTER than the direst predictions of > > > > a decade ago. The only reason people are now paying attention is that > > > > is is costing them money or might do so. And by the time that happens, > > > > it is too late. Actually, unless science comes up with a way to undo > > > > or mitigate drastically what has ALREADY happened, it is too late. > > > > Some people will probably survive in the end. But it will get mighty > > > > ugly along the way. If they can find a way to change this scenario, > > > > that would be the age of enlightenment, really and truly a miracle. > > > > The bulk of our resources should go to that - a planetary race, a > > > > competition, to figure this out. That is where we are at, whether the > > > > public gets this or not. Living off the grid, buying a Prius, > > > > recycling, driving less - all are nice and helpful but don't make a > > > > dent in the catastrophe that is going on right now. > > > > > > > > Let's change the topic - I spent nearly half a year in a real funk > > > > about this in 2006. I had to make a decision to not read more about it > > > > or think too much on it. > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "..it's as if no-one is listening to the scientific community," said > > > > > Corinne Le Quere, director of the Tyndall Centre for Climate Change > > > > > Research at the University of East Anglia. > > > > > > > > > > "I am worried that the risks of dangerous climate change are too high > > > > > on our current emissions trajectory," Prof Le Quere said. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Recently, the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) > > > > > > > > > > reported that greenhouse gases in the atmosphere hit a new > > > > > > > > > > record high in 2011. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Data show that global CO2 emissions in 2012 hit 35.6bn > > > > > > > > > > > tonnes, a 2.6% increase from 2011 and 58% above 1990 > > > > > > > > > > > levels. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In its annual Greenhouse Gas Bulletin, the organisation said > > > > > > > > that carbon dioxide levels reached 391 parts per million in > > > > > > > > 2011. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The report estimated that carbon dioxide (CO2) accounted for 85% of > > > > > > the "radiative forcing" that led to global temperature rises. > > > > > > > > > > > > Other potent greenhouse gases such as methane also recorded new > > > > > > highs, according to the WMO report. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Non-meditators are the real carbon polluters behind the > > > > > > > > > destruction of the global climate. Well you know a positive > > > > > > > > > scientific case could be made that spiritual people who are > > > > > > > > > regular meditators and especially meditating on the > > > > > > > > > Invincible American course are much less responsible for > > > > > > > > > global climate change than the average non-meditating > > > > > > > > > American or any other first world or developing nation > > > > > > > > > peoples. Simply on a materialistic level of gross > > > > > > > > > consumption, that anyone who is on the full schedule of > > > > > > > > > meditation in the Domes contributing to world peace otherwise > > > > > > > > > in fact creates much less carbon damage to the atmosphere and > > > > > > > > > global climate than the average CO2 emitting consuming > > > > > > > > > American. At a minimum, people on the Invincible America > > > > > > > > > course simply do not have the time to consume materially like > > > > > > > > > non-meditaters do. > > > > > > > > > -Buck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once again it is evident that the problem with society is, > > > > > > > 'non-meditation'. Even just stopping and taking a quiet time > > > > > > > meditation twice a day would be good for the global climate. In > > > > > > > prudent public policy taking quiet time meditation breaks at > > > > > > > least twice a day should probably be required for everyone's > > > > > > > well-being and safety. > > > > > > > -Buck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
