On 12/14/2012 09:56 AM, seekliberation wrote: > > --- In [email protected], Bhairitu <noozguru@...> wrote: >> Let's not be so cerebral about it. If someone actually started eating >> more than their fair share at a potluck we know people would be >> outraged. That's my point and how some people seem to have been snowed >> by the rich to make them think it is okay if they have more than their >> fair share. > I can agree with you that there is manipulation and control by some people in > power. However, our odds are a lot better here in America than they are in > most countries, such as about 10-12 in Europe, plus Australia and Canada. > But I will also say at the same time that there is a growing apathy and > tendency to try to solve one's own problems through government decisions > rather than individual initiative. > > My problem is that I see it both ways: Government/Big business manipulation > combined with a mass society that is growing less self sufficient each day. > You seem to lean heavily in the direction of Government/Big Business, while > some of the hardcore conservatives on this forum lean heavily towards > individual weakness. I see both as a problem.
The problem with the conservatives is that the individual weakness they perceive is mostly imaginary. I guess some of them don't want the money they paid in for Social Security and Medicare. We are owed that. It is not a welfare check. But it seems to take a baseball bat to knock any sense into conservatives. They also think the 99% are lazy. No, many of those people have looked for work, have had good jobs in the past and are highly skilled. It's like they have been purposely shut out of the job market. You have a scenario for a violent revolution because highly educated people are not going to put up with this situation much longer. We know this from history. > >> They would most likely agree with higher taxes on the rich. >> >> Sleepwalkers don't see the problem so easily but current events show >> that letting people aren't evolved enough to handle that much wealth. > I can agree with you that people aren't evolved enough for the amount of > wealth they are capable of amassing. It matters little though whether we go > with capatilism, socialism, communism, etc..., our society simply isn't like > Europe. We aren't balanced. People either have just enough initiative to > gain a favorable advantage and exploit others, or they're too incompetent to > solve their own problems. > > Socialism only works in Europe because you have people who are willing to > wake up each day and work, and they don't expect anything extreme in terms of > extravagance. We are the exact opposite of that. We have grown to hate > work, and we want everything. Bad combination for a long-lasting nation and > economy. > > Our solution isn't in terms of economic policy or government decisions, it is > in terms of improving our state of mind. I remember seeing a youtube video > of Oliver Stone where he claims America has become a 'sick' country. I think > he was really getting to the point with that statement. > > seekliberation Then as I have predicted for some time it will take the collapse of the US for change. Don't forget that people in Europe get free medical care, more vacation than US fools. We don't have enough jobs for everyone either. So that issue needs to be addressed. And yes some workers are spoiled. We heard recently that Apple was going assemble one of their products in the US but then not to be missed that Foxconn the next day announced a US facility. Now we here on FFL know the difference between oriental mindsets and Jamie down the street. Which do you think will assemble a Mac properly. Of course they may hire Frank who was an account exec to assemble those machines rather than Jamie. Maybe the solution is a 10 hour week, guaranteed annual income and a new leisure society. And demolish the empty McMansions.
