--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Kind of...after thinking about it, I did a lot of the same stuff (no skills, > savings, or education, at age 30 - hadn't even ever had a checking account!), > due to my allegiance to the TMO for about ten years. Once I left, I had to > work-my-ass-off, full-time job and school while starting a family - That went > on for awhile. So if someone feels like they pissed away a decade or two, I > am a member of that club. > > I am also a big proponent of sharing personal impressions - However, when > does it stop? I have known people in my life who as a result of a significant > trauma, which the TMO experiences appear to be for some, have made that their > central and defining moment, like wearing a millstone of failure around their > necks constantly. It seems like such a waste of time. See a therapist, talk > to sympathetic friends, write a letter, make a phone call - something to get > out of the cycle, as you suggested.
And I agree with you on this. I guess you are right that this leaving the TM or TMO can be a trauma for some. > > The larger point > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > I agree. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" <wayback71@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi WB, I know that, also - I worked for the TM guys, on staff, for a > > > > total of three years, and bought into *everything*. Everything. Well, > > > > almost everything...my guardian angels stopped me literally on the > > > > verge, from going on TTC - it wouldn't have been pretty.:-0 > > > > > > > > Working for the TMO, I went on tons of residence courses, earned my > > > > TMSP - read the Gita numerous times, took SCI - and earned the princely > > > > sum of $25/mo., slept in an unheated garage, or a run down shack in > > > > mid-Winter with no plumbing - in the Midwest and Catskills. Had all the > > > > *right* posters on the walls though.:-) > > > > > > > > Continued TMSP for 13 years, and TM since 1975. Took part in some key > > > > TMO events - attended Doug Henning's second wedding in the Dome, helped > > > > build the first dome, helped build a Capital of the Age of > > > > Enlightenment. Attended the Taste of Utopia course in DC. > > > > > > > > Got screwed in many of the same ways as have been already described > > > > here ad nauseum - Experienced loss of course credit, arrogance of the > > > > Govs, blatant hypocrisy, pitiful living and working conditions, though > > > > thankfully, except for my overall income for those three years working > > > > for the TMO, I didn't lose money on many courses. > > > > > > > > So, I just don't know what the standard is for investment in the TMO > > > > and Maharishi, that continues to leave a bitter taste in so many mouths. > > > > > > > > After I left in the early 80's, I continued to pursue my own stuff, and > > > > continued to carefully peel away the BS from whatever my truth was at > > > > the time, and now. Got immersed in the world, family and career, so > > > > that any BS in the TMO continued to burn itself out, in the course of > > > > integrating myself into a normal, successful worldly life. > > > > > > > > > > I did the same as you. But, I think working for the TMO for 3 years is a > > > lot less time than many people invested. Also, for many back in the > > > 1970's, they were of an age when people go to grad school, or get started > > > in a career, begin to set up an adult life. I know of a few people who > > > felt very angry in retrospect, that they had spent their 20's and early > > > 30's working for the TMO, only to find that they were without credentials > > > or any savings by the time they decided Enuf. Despite this, many got > > > on with their lives and made great successes of things, even if later in > > > life. Some did not and would have benefitted from a more traditional > > > life plan. I did not see tons of young Indians spending their 20's and > > > 30's working for little compensation for the TMO. That would not have > > > been ok with Indian parents, tradition or values. I think one of the > > > problems was that the Westerners tried to have a foot in each camp: > > > householder and devotee, and they often ended up without funds or > > > experience to manage much in the real world as well as lost faith in the > > > guru. > > > > > > I feel really grateful for TM and all my time in it, and I was lucky > > > enough to manage grad school and a career a bit later. But I still get > > > why some might feel that taking a large chunk of time out of the > > > mainstream might have left a mark - that they never caught up. > > > Especially if they are disappointed about the results of TM itself. Then > > > they lost on both counts. > > > > > > > If someone still feels the need to vent about their TMO experiences, > > > > and trot out the same old tired stories and accusations, they can go > > > > ahead, but when they say stuff like this, they *still* sound kinda > > > > dumb: :-) > > > > > > > > "The TMO is in my opinion no more corrupt and awful (and no less) than > > > > any other spiritual organization or religion or cult in human history." > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" <awoelflebater@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ <no_reply@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > "The TMO is in my opinion no more corrupt and awful (and no less) > > > > > > than any other spiritual organization or religion or cult in human > > > > > > history." > > > > > > > > > > > > this makes you sound kinda dumb...just sayin'... > > > > > > > > > > Not dumb, dear Doctor. Here is the key thing. Many people who appear > > > > > the most bitter are those who spent the most time, invested much of > > > > > themselves, in the Movement whether it was in in the form of years, > > > > > sweat, dedication or belief. This was a cost on some level. When > > > > > someone has put so much of themselves into something and found it, in > > > > > the end, wanting it seems to me natural that there is disappointment, > > > > > bitterness, a foundation for defining/revealing, what went wrong. It > > > > > is never a valid excuse that something isn't wrong because it happens > > > > > all the time. Frequency of transgression does not override the > > > > > seriousness of it. > > > > > > > > > > <snip> > > > > > > > > > >
