Nice grounded, non-Woo explanation of this "prohibition." Thanks.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok <no_reply@...> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@ <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > the non-use of Om by householders is very well documented > > to have been emphasized by Swami Brahmananda Saraswati. > > No argument about this here. But the reason is the caste system and > orthodoxy. According to extreme conservatives, any mantra of the Vedas could > not be pronounced by Non-Brahmins, and women. You can read the passage about > women and Om from the Beacon Light of the Himalaya, that Xeno uploaded to the > files. Same is true for the Gayatri Mantra, it is not taught in the TM > movement. Other spiritual Hindu based movements are less conservative and > advocate it. > > > There is so many famous mantras that do not use Om at all ... " > > Shree Rama Jaya Rama...etc the examples are very many. > > Yes, but they are not Vedic. If they would be Vedic, that is, if they would > occur in the Rig Veda for example, they would be equally disallowed by the > movement. The Shankaracharya order of the Saraswati branch, to which Guru Dev > belonged to is the MOST conservative of all the orthodox orders. Only > Brahmins could become Swamis, that is also the reason that Maharishi never > became a Swami. And that is also the reason why his body was cremated instead > of buried. The movement uppers and Rajas would have wanted the body to be > burried, and have a real Samadhi, but the current Shankaracharya, even though > supportive of the movement did not allow. > > The question for me is therefore: how much do you believe in the caste system > and all the orthodox rules? If I don't believe in the caste system, I have no > reason to reject OM for meditation. In fact it would simplify things a lot. > Everybody knows it, knows it's proper pronunciation, and it is not directly > connected to any gods, it is not sectarian or cultic. > > For example Shree Rama Jaya Raam Jaya Jaya Raam is a Vaishnavic Mantra and > associated with Rama. There might be Shaivas who don't like it. There are > Shaivas who don't visit Vaishanava temples. > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" <dhamiltony2k5@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I think there is only one truly Vedic mantra and that is OM. > > > > > > Dear Nava, > > > Real TM tru-believers strongly hold that Maharishi's revival of Knowledge > > > has saved India from `Om". I have been lectured several times on this > > > very point by extremely faithful TM people who seem quite convinced. > > > You'll notice that none of the TM versions of mantras on the TM-X website > > > notice `Om' as any part of a TM mantra. Though Shri Vidya and everyone > > > else going back use "Om" to initiate or energized mantras. Is TM missing > > > something? Maharishi uniquely seems a Vedic out-layer on this in the > > > distribution of sages on mantras. > > > I like `Om' myself to spin the root and tune the heart and then go from > > > there. But that is different from TM and should not be confused even > > > though chakras well light up upon proper awareness and practice of the > > > TM-sidhis. But at that point it is independent of employing 'Om' or much > > > of anything else. > > > Best Regards from Fairfield, > > > -Buck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <richard@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > navashok: > > > > > > Where does the TM technique come from? > > > > > > > > > > > From India and the Vedas? LoL! > > > > > > > > > > According to Mircea Eliade, only the rudiments of classic > > > > > Yoga are to be found in the Vedas, and while shamanism and > > > > > other techniques of ecstasy are documented among other > > > > > Indo-European people, "Yoga is to be found only in India > > > > > and in cultures influenced by Indian spirituality" (102). > > > > > > > > I think there is only one truly Vedic mantra and that is OM. What > > > > Maharishi teaches as the Vedic tradition is actually the Tantric > > > > tradition appropriated by Brahmanism, through the teaching of Shri > > > > Vidhya. With Vedic literature, he means the Agamas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Work cited: > > > > > > > > > > 'Yoga : Immortality and Freedom' > > > > > by Mircea Eliade > > > > > Princeton University Press, 1970 > > > > > > > > > > Read more: > > > > > > > > > > Subject: A decomposition of practice ertswhile abusers lore > > > > > Author: Willytex > > > > > Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental > > > > > Date: February 6, 2005 > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/ykqy7zh > > > > > > > > > > Other titles of interst: > > > > > > > > > > 'Shamanism: Archaic Techniques of Ecstasy' > > > > > by Mircea Eliade > > > > > Princeton University Press; 2004 > > > > > > > > > > 'The Yoga Tradition: Its History, Literature, > > > > > Philosophy and Practice' > > > > > by Georg Feuerstein and Ken Wilbur > > > > > Hohm Press, 2001 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
