[FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space

[John]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long <sharelong60@...> wrote:
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> the rocks are listening to everything we say
> as we amble through the forum forest
> and into Gaia they tap their SOS
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>
Share,

I can hear poetry and humor ringing in my ears.  Maybe the rocks will too. :)

 
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> ________________________________
>  From: John <jr_esq@...>
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 10:24 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No 
> Space
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long <sharelong60@> wrote:
> >
> > hey John and Ann, definitely some neurons of mine were not initially firing 
> > about all this.  And I appreciate how both of you have remedied that 
> > situation (-:
> > 
> > John, it sounds like Ann is saying that BY DEFINITION a sound is an energy 
> > wave that hits a human ear drum and is then interpreted by a human brain to 
> > be a sound.  This makes sense.  Then I wondered: well what about 
> > animals and what about human who cannot hear?  And I like how you extend 
> > this avenue of thought even farther, John.  But isn't it true that we 
> > can only assume that the laws of physics will be preserved?  And are you 
> > saying that consciousness is the ultimate perceiver?
> >
> 
> Share,
> 
> Yes, Consciousness is everywhere even in a rock or in another tree.  As such, 
> a sound of a falling tree will be heard in a place without humans or 
> humanoids.  And, the laws of physics are preserved.  However, that sound will 
> be perceived differently by a rock and a human.
> 
> JR
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> > 
> > Maybe all communication simply comes back to being clear about 
> > definitions.  Anyway, I'm feeling very philosophical now.
> > 
> > Ann I chuckled at your joke about the echo but will restrain myself and not 
> > put a you know what such as I did in first sentence above.  Here's 
> > another question:  in the absence of a smiley face, smile, LOL, LMHA, 
> > etc.  has humor occurred?
> > 
> > 
> > ________________________________
> >  From: John <jr_esq@>
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 11:22 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No 
> > Space
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" <awoelflebater@> wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" <jr_esq@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Share,
> > > > 
> > > > The physicist is making a bold statement there and she knows it.  She's 
> > > > asking for a strong backlash when she said time existed even before the 
> > > > Big Bang.  I can see the following questions coming up:  Is Time the 
> > > > essence of God or vice-versa?  Is there time in heaven or the unified 
> > > > field?  Is there a prime mover or the cause of Time?  What proof does 
> > > > she have to make such statements?
> > > > 
> > > > JR
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long <sharelong60@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > hey John I very much enjoyed this.  Being a word person, was 
> > > > > amazed to learn that the word time is the noun that occurs most 
> > > > > frequently.  Also her point about atomic clocks off earth 
> > > > > running slower helped me understand the role of gravity in relation 
> > > > > to time.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I wonder if there can be time if there is no one to perceive its 
> > > > > passage.  Kind of like, if a tree falls in a forest empty of 
> > > > > people, does it make a sound.  To that I say yes.  
> > > > > Because of the physical properties of trees and ground and sound 
> > > > > waves.
> > > 
> > > Although a falling object creates waves of energy that when they hit the 
> > > ear drum produce something we call "sound" I would have to say that if 
> > > there are no eardrums to receive the sound waves there is, in fact not 
> > > sound. There is only the potential for sound if there is the instrument 
> > > (an ear drum) present to have those waves impact it. There has to be a 
> > > recipient in this case who has the tools to transform waves into what he 
> > > know as sound. (I think I just repeated myself about three time. Does 
> > > that mean there is an echo in here?)
> > 
> > Ann,
> > 
> > If a tree fell in an earth-like exoplanet without any humans or humanoids, 
> > would it make a sound?
> > 
> > IMO, the answer is yes because consciousness is everywhere in the universe, 
> > even in a piece of rock.  Also, the laws of physics must be preserved so a 
> > sound of a falling tree will be produced even without humans or humanoids 
> > in the exoplanet.
> > 
> > JR
> >
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