[FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No Space

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long <sharelong60@...> wrote:
>
> hey John and Ann, definitely some neurons of mine were not initially firing 
> about all this.  And I appreciate how both of you have remedied that 
> situation (-:
> 
> John, it sounds like Ann is saying that BY DEFINITION a sound is an energy 
> wave that hits a human ear drum and is then interpreted by a human brain to 
> be a sound.  This makes sense.  Then I wondered: well what about animals 
> and what about human who cannot hear?  And I like how you extend this avenue 
> of thought even farther, John.  But isn't it true that we can only assume 
> that the laws of physics will be preserved?  And are you saying that 
> consciousness is the ultimate perceiver?
> 
> 
> Maybe all communication simply comes back to being clear about definitions.  
> Anyway, I'm feeling very philosophical now.
> 
> Ann I chuckled at your joke about the echo but will restrain myself and not 
> put a you know what such as I did in first sentence above.  Here's another 
> question:  in the absence of a smiley face, smile, LOL, LMHA, etc.  has 
> humor occurred?

Very good question and one that seems germane at the moment, given the 
discussion with Curtis (well, maybe not a discussion, he was clearly a little 
grumpy about me not finding Jesus being euthanized instead of hung on a cross 
joke funny) about different "audiences".

I think smiley faces are compensations for the fact you can't show someone how 
you feel by a tone of voice or facial expression. They are either used to 
communicate the fact that what one just wrote was without malice or they are 
used (as in Barry's case) all the time so I don't know what they mean.

And as we know, you can throw something out there you think is funny but God 
only knows what the other guy thinks about it so then we can get into a large 
subject of what is humour; is there an absolute or pure form that means 
everyone will find something/it funny or is it completely relative like art or 
virtually everything else we perceive as individuals on the planet?

But back to that smiley face. I don't trust those. I think they are devious 
little devils which pop up under all kinds of situations and masquerade as 
friendly. In fact, I would go so far as to say the civilization and culture as 
we know it today is being undermined and destroyed by the colon and left-facing 
parantheses signs juxtaposed in the way that they are ( oh, that and the word 
"awesome"). Beware these two forces in our midst - they will be our undoing.
> 
> 
> ________________________________
>  From: John <jr_esq@...>
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 11:22 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: There was Time Before the Big Bang But With No 
> Space
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" <awoelflebater@> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" <jr_esq@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Share,
> > > 
> > > The physicist is making a bold statement there and she knows it.  She's 
> > > asking for a strong backlash when she said time existed even before the 
> > > Big Bang.  I can see the following questions coming up:  Is Time the 
> > > essence of God or vice-versa?  Is there time in heaven or the unified 
> > > field?  Is there a prime mover or the cause of Time?  What proof does she 
> > > have to make such statements?
> > > 
> > > JR
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long <sharelong60@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > hey John I very much enjoyed this.  Being a word person, was amazed 
> > > > to learn that the word time is the noun that occurs most frequently. 
> > > >  Also her point about atomic clocks off earth running slower helped me 
> > > > understand the role of gravity in relation to time.
> > > > 
> > > > I wonder if there can be time if there is no one to perceive its 
> > > > passage.  Kind of like, if a tree falls in a forest empty of people, 
> > > > does it make a sound.  To that I say yes.  Because of the 
> > > > physical properties of trees and ground and sound waves.
> > 
> > Although a falling object creates waves of energy that when they hit the 
> > ear drum produce something we call "sound" I would have to say that if 
> > there are no eardrums to receive the sound waves there is, in fact not 
> > sound. There is only the potential for sound if there is the instrument (an 
> > ear drum) present to have those waves impact it. There has to be a 
> > recipient in this case who has the tools to transform waves into what he 
> > know as sound. (I think I just repeated myself about three time. Does that 
> > mean there is an echo in here?)
> 
> Ann,
> 
> If a tree fell in an earth-like exoplanet without any humans or humanoids, 
> would it make a sound?
> 
> IMO, the answer is yes because consciousness is everywhere in the universe, 
> even in a piece of rock.  Also, the laws of physics must be preserved so a 
> sound of a falling tree will be produced even without humans or humanoids in 
> the exoplanet.
> 
> JR
>