Steve, thank you for your insight. It helps me to understand a little more. And your idea that the core of enlightenment was still there, very intriguing. I mean, even just the idea that enlightenment has a core. Did you read what turq wrote about all this? He has written of hubris and I'm still grappling with that one. I'd be interested in your thoughts on that. Since I read what turq wrote and even what Judy wrote today about Robin, I've been wondering why genuine enlightenment doesn't have a built in protection against hubris. I know my life certainly has that: maybe a friend gets upset with me or IRS says I owe them money or I wake up one morning with vertigo. Presto, any hubris that was creeping in is gone and I'm once again clearly part of flawed humanity.
________________________________ From: seventhray27 <steve.sun...@yahoo.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 6:26 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Career As Path (was Re: Majorca Spain to turq) My .02. When the whole Lenz things came up on FFL sometime ago, I read an interview by the Fredster, and yes, I was quite blown away. I believe it was at the beginning of his time, when things were untainted. I then read an interview done several years later, and the shine was off the feeling I had of his enlightenment, but the core of enlightenment was still there. I guess it might be likened to sterling silver that is polished or tarnished. The silver content is still there, but brilliance was off. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long <sharelong60@...> wrote: > > Do you think Lenz was unenlightened and became unenlightened? Or what? > Is France still Catholic enough that you all are having a 4 day weekend? > > > > > ________________________________ > From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 7:44 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Career As Path (was Re: Majorca Spain to turq) > > >  > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: > > > > Why do you think he [Rama - Fred Lenz] did himself in? > > He *claimed* to some who were close to him that he > was dying of some undiagnosed and undiagnosable > illness, and that he just didn't want to waste away > in some ghastly hospital. I, however, got ahold of > the coroner's autopsy report, and there was no trace > of serious disease. > > My theory of The Big Why is very simple, and meshes > well with what people who were close to him said: > drugs. He'd gotten himself addicted to Valium, first > prescribed after an injury, but he liked the effects > of it so much that it had begun to affect both his > behavior and his judgment. On the Valium label it > says in big, bold letters, "If you have been taking > this drug for some time, do NOT try to stop suddenly. > If you do, you risk side effects including depression, > psychotic symptoms, and suicide." So what did Mr. > I-can-handle-it do? He tried to quit taking Valium > cold turkey. Three days later he was dead, a suicide. > > > Were you still involved when that happened? > > No, I had left a couple of years earlier, when the > focus of what it was like to study with him shifted > away from meditation and things that most (including > me) considered "spiritual," and began to focus on > mainly business and career success. Besides, it had > stopped being fun, so I split. Never regretted it. >
