What if I am listening to Carlin or Seinfeld doing stand up comedy, at a club, and Barry turns to me, and says, "Its only opinion...ALL of it."? I would definitely change bar stools.
Even opinions, not that they have to be eternal truths, come from each of us, you included, Barry. If you ever want to engage, instead of playing the wise owl sitting on a stick, you may appreciate the sheer joy of what the rest of us refer to as...interaction. It is awesome, even if you cringe at the word awesome. It means expressing our reactions to each others opinions. Dialogue, and just shooting the shit, sometimes. So, your, 'itz-all opinion' part stays, but the idea that REACTION to an opinion, pro or con, is a PROBLEM, is definitely out, when we are INTERACTING. So, interact, and quit being a prick so much of the time. Pricks get my attention, but then annoy me, and I am not unique in this opinion. --- In [email protected], turquoiseb <no_reply@...> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" <anartaxius@> > wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], turquoiseb <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "seventhray27" <steve.sundur@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Oh my. I missed this earlier in the day. Barry, Barry, > > > > you were right. It's not about defending x,y, or z. > > > > It's really about a very demented, pinched, and unhappy > > > > person. My compassion reaches out to her. > > > > > > Steve, naturally I agree with you. This message to > > > Share just *drips* with hatred and malevolence, not > > > to mention the delusional belief that Judy "knows" > > > what people karmically "deserve." > > > > > > Trying hard to be compassionate myself, I should point > > > out something about Judy that makes her a victim of > > > her own impulses. It is a trait that she exemplifies > > > here on FFL the most, but it is also a trait shared > > > by Ann, by Robin, by Jim, and others. > > > > > > They believe that words are more important than actions. > > > In particular, they believe that what *they* say -- > > > about their motivations, about themselves, about the > > > images of themselves they wish to push out, about > > > others, about *anything* -- are more important than > > > their actions, and the INTENT those actions reveal. > > > > > > Judy *believes* Robin because she believes what he > > > *says* about himself. She believes in his words so > > > strongly that this belief renders her incapable of > > > perceiving his actions, which are often in complete > > > opposition to what his words claim. Naturally, she > > > does the same thing about herself, *saying* things > > > about her supposed motivations (to "protect people > > > who have been wronged," etc.) that are *said* to > > > mask the fact that (IMO) she is just dumping on > > > another of her targets because she's an old, bitter > > > woman who at this point in her life can do nothing > > > else. > > > > > > Although I am the first to point out that the Fred > > > Lenz - Rama guy I studied with was more than a little > > > bonkers in many ways, he also taught me some things > > > that I still consider valuable. One of them was, > > > "Listen to what people say, but watch what they DO." > > > > > > That has been one of my guidelines ever since. I > > > really *don't* ever believe thoroughly in what people > > > *say* about themselves and their beliefs and their > > > motivations. I watch what they DO. Their actions > > > reveal the "real" them. The words are just words. > > > > > > Given the example below, Judy's words are nasty > > > and could not reek more of superiority and arrogance > > > and hatred if she had tried to capture those things > > > consciously. Whatever she may try to say *about* > > > what she said, the fact remains that she said it. > > > THAT was an action. And that action speaks volumes. > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <authfriend@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Share Long <sharelong60@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks so much for your nurturing words feste. Big karmic burn > > > > > > happening. > > > > > > > > > > About time some of the rotten karma you've accumulated > > > > > here started burning you. Let's hope you learn something > > > > > from it. > > > > One the Forbes website yesterday was a quotation of Walter Benjamin: > > > > "All human knowledge takes the form of interpretation" > > > > Which is just another way of saying all we talk about > > is opinion. > > ALL that we talk about here is opinion. ALL of it. > > The problem arises when some try to pretend that > their opinion -- based on their interpretation -- > is fact, or even more laughably, "reality." > > > There is a certain kind of local truth in language. 'I > > burned my toast' is an example that would be called a > > fact. > > Quantify "burned." :-) > > It might be different for different people. > > > But for the most part our ideas of truth are much > > shallower than we think, and berating others based > > on our own idea of truth has certain pitfalls. > > Pitfalls that some have never learned to avoid. > > I may berate people, but never based on my idea > of "truth," because I do not believe in the concept. > There IS no such thing as "truth," merely inter- > pretation, filtered through a lifetime's worth > (or many lifetimes' worth) of prejudices. > > > Direct statements, such as 'I do not like you' are > > much more direct than 'You are a liar, and thus > > are despicable' which implies a sense of superiority. > > Exactly. > > > My own opinion, shallow as it is, is that Judy's > > sense of truth is very inflexible. After all, logic > > is inflexible, but she applies it so narrowly as to > > miss the larger picture, and it is imbued with a > > strange, dark emotion. > > Just "run the numbers." How many of her posts -- this > week or ANY week -- are about trying to dump on one > or more of her enemies, and how many are about some- > thing else -- anything else. The percentages come > closer to anything resembling "truth" than any claim > of "knowing" the truth. > > > Now it is interesting Barry, I do not interpret what > > you say that way. I do not sense that darkness. It > > almost seems more like exasperation, that you almost > > cannot grasp how people can be so dense, and so dense > > for so long. > > Can't argue with that. :-) >
