--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> <snip>
> > I am guessing judy's view is imagination based also, but I invite 
> > her to explicitly dewscribe what she thinks a club looks like and 
> > what happens inside.
> If you think my view of strip clubs depends on what
> I think they look like and what happens inside--other
> than women dancing nude for men--you haven't understood
> my objection.  But that's been obvious for a while now.

And I have invited you to tell us what your objections are. Thus far
you have just been dismissive, IMO, and said its too depressing to
contemplate that in todays age an intelligent person doesn't
understand how strip clubs objectify woman. I am afraid its not my
nature to be guilt-tripped and slink away in shame when loaded terms
are cast, if that is your intention. Maybe its not. 

Regardless, once and for all, explain your position. I am open to your
views. I am not seeking to win arguments here, but am seeking

Did you read my prior post on my view that society and media creates a
strong fog of objectification in many. And in my experience, exotic
dance clubs help in de-objectification -- that is helps some gain
better balance of internal values one has for various attributes of
women. To understand such a view does require a reality-based view of
what occurs in upscale clubs. I infer, perhaps incorrectly, that your
view is not close to reality based, but an imagination based-view.
Thus what you believe goes on on strip clubs is relevant to the above

But for starters, go ahead and explain your objection. It appears to
be singularly based: women dancing nude for men, outside the context. 

If context is unimportant then it raises a lot of questions:

Do you object to women dancng nude for an audience in a Broadway play?

Do you object to Mardi Gras dancing of women for beads? 
I know, they are only topless for the most part, but so are the
dancers in 80% of strip clubs. 

Do you object to women dancing topless, or flashing guys, at a college

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