--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > If you think my view of strip clubs depends on what > > > I think they look like and what happens inside--other > > > than women dancing nude for men--you haven't understood > > > my objection. But that's been obvious for a while now. > > > > And I have invited you to tell us what your objections are. Thus far you have just been dismissive, IMO, and said its too depressing to > > contemplate that in todays age an intelligent person doesn't > > understand how strip clubs objectify woman. I am afraid its not my > > nature to be guilt-tripped and slink away in shame when loaded terms are cast, if that is your intention. Maybe its not. > > No, it's not my intention. > > > Regardless, once and for all, explain your position. > > Honestly, I think it would be a waste of my time, > given the detailed, carefully reasoned rationalizations > in defense of strip clubs that folks have been putting > forward. The position is too deeply embedded.
My views are not intrachably embedded. They are based on my experience that clubs produced a de-objectifying effect, they decreased my existing levels of internal objectification of women. They did not increase them. And I observed no exploitation of women. But if you have compellng insights, data, observations or models that better explain what I have seen, I will quicly change. > > I am open to your > > views. I am not seeking to win arguments here, but am seeking > > understanding. > > Well, but that's what I'm saying. I don't think you > are (any more than I'm open to your views). I am really not here to "win" arguments. The only winning for me is a deeper understanding of things. And sometimes thats found on the other side of the fence from where I started. I am seeking understanding and new insights. Quite so. None of my views are laid in cement. And my identity is not at all tied to my views or their "correctness". I change my views regularly when I get new information or conceptual models. > And before anybody accuses me of copping out, yes, > that's precisely what I'm doing. The fact that it's > a battle that still needs to be fought depresses > rather than inspires me. I just can't summon up > the energy. > > Maybe some other time. Ok. I look forward to it. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
