Yes, I have similar thoughts. Some slice of advertising does objectify women, and increasingly men. As do TV, films, music, etc. This, per objectification theory, can and does lead to self-objectification -- leading to eating disorders and self-image issues. And objectification is a form of materialism, and thus is the negation of spiritualism. Focussing on the surface values instead of inner values. And leads to a focus on wealth and material accumulation in an out of balance way, relative to inner growth.
And objectification can contribute to identification in an outer direction instead of an inner direction. Though as some have pointed out, spiritual "growth" counters objectification -- a stick through air phenomenon. Objectification is pervasive for most. So to say strip clubs cause objectification is absurd. They may contribute, in a marginal way, to objectification for some, and help deconstruct it for others -- myself included. But culture -- media/art/adverting/fashion/cosmetics are far strong forces acting on a identifiaction-prone person. And they can de-create it -- if pointed in the right direction. As can spiritual practices. And I agree Unc. To rally against SCs more so than Vogue as a contributor to objetification is misguided -- or due to imbalanced analysis -- which is often embedded in conventional wisdom. --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Interesting articles you're digging up, Akasha. I've > always wondered why those who are down on strip clubs > and the like for objectifying women don't seem to have > much to say about *advertising*, and the role that the > images of women on TV and in movies and in magazines > have in that regard. > > I've really come to believe that it's as simple as > "Advertising and TV and movies and magazines are legal > and considered an integral part of our culture, and > strip clubs are not. What we object to is that men > can lust after women in public, rather than behind > closed doors, where we'd like them to be." > > Me, I'd be willing to bet that more objectification of > women has been established over the years in men as > the result of one-handed reading of Vogue and Cosmo > and any other magazine that shows scantily-clad women > than will *ever* be established as a result of visits > to strip clubs. > > > --- In [email protected], akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Objectification of women and girls in our culture is pervasive > > (Frederickson & Roberts, 1997). > > > > http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2294/is_9- > 10_49/ai_110813265 > > > > > > > > Objectification theory posits that the ubiquitous objectification > of > > women in our culture encourages body dissatisfaction, eating > problems, > > and other mental health concerns among girls and women > (Frederickson & > > Roberts, 1997). There are data that show that women are objectified > in > > the media, that girls and women experience a high rate of body > > dissatisfaction and eating problems, and that exposure to > objectified > > media images of women is related to the experience of > > self-objectification and body shame among women. One purpose of the > > present study was to examine the links between these variables from > a > > developmental perspective by examining how grade-school girls > > responded to objectified images of women. A second purpose was to > > examine how grade-school boys responded to objectified images of > men. > > Although such images of men are less common in our culture, there > is a > > growing concern that they, too, might be problematic. > > > > Objectification of women and girls in our culture is pervasive > > (Frederickson & Roberts, 1997). In the media women's bodies are more > > likely to be shown to advertise products and there is often a focus > on > > parts of the body, rather than the whole body, which emphasizes the > > view of woman as an object (e.g., Archer, Iritani, Kimes, & Barrios, > > 1983; Kilbourne, 1994). Images of women are often sexualized, which > > sends the message that men may "possess" women's bodies (see > > Frederickson & Roberts, 1997). Greater sexual objectification of > women > > than men has been found in many media realms including fashion and > > fitness magazines (Rudman & Verdi, 1993), "MTV" (music television) > > commercials (Signorielli, McLeod, & Healy, 1994), and prime-time > > television commercials (Lin, 1998). > > > > In addition to being portrayed as sex objects, women presented in > the > > media are unrealistically thin (see Gilbert & Thompson, 1996; > Levine & > > Smolak, 1996 for reviews). Playboy centerfold models, Miss America > > contestants, female television characters, and models in women's > > magazines have all gotten thinner across time (Garner, Garfinkel, > > Schwartz, & Thompson, 1980; Mazur, 1986; Silverstein, Perdue, > > Peterson, & Kelly, 1986) whereas average American women have become > > heavier (Spitzer, Henderson, & Zivian, 1999). ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! 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