Share Long: > ...everything is about vibration but do we understand > everything about the deepest nature of vibration and > its functioning? > Apparently the really hard question is the definition of consciousness, so that makes discussion of altered states of consciousness even more difficult. So, what we need is an operational definition of consciousness.
The Blackwell Companion to Consciousness: ConsciousnessThe having of perceptions, thoughts, and feelings; awareness. > I think not and that I think is at the basis of > understanding why we perceive colors and smells and > sounds, etc. > For TMers the most thorough account of the spiritual approach may be Ken Wilber who compares western and eastern ways of thinking about the mind and consciousness. > Maybe something to do with resonance between stimuli > and receptor cells. As yet, the instruments of > measurement aren't built to measure at these levels, > which I will add for the sake of the materialists > among us, is nonetheless a material level. > Soma? > Mycologists have proven, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that the Vedic Soma, the Elixir of Immortality, was a decoction formulated with an alkaloid which in most cases resulted in spiritual euphoria, even religious ecstasy. The consumption of Soma was prescribed by the rishis, for God's sake, Share. It's in the Ayerveda formulary of the Dhanvantari! LoL! > As I'm writing this it comes to me that there is > a level that is probably both material and non > material like emptybill's Spanda. Let's build the > instruments to measure that! > According to Wilber, consciousness is a 'spectrum', with ordinary awareness is at one end, and more profound types of awareness are found at higher levels. Work cited: 'The Spectrum of Consciousness' by Ken Wilber pp. 316 > > > > What the "hard problem" is *about* is something very > > > > simple, very immediate, very transparent--that there is > > > > *something it is like* to be you, to be me, to be Dennett. > > > > You may have to sit with that phrase for awhile before it > > > > makes sense; but once it does, a whole lotta crap just > > > > falls away. > > > > > Share: > > > But my speculation is that it might have something to do > > > with the vibratory nature of energy and matter, something > > > yet to be understood by modern science. > > > > > > Though I think ancient rishis experienced it and wrote > > > about it... > > > > authfriend: > > Experienced what and wrote about what? Everybody with a > > functioning mind experiences qualia, and loads of people, > > philosophers and scientists, have written about them... > > > It looks like Share hit the nail on the head with this one: > the whole TMer notion of cosmic consciousness is based on > the vibratory nature of the qualia. > > It has already been confirmed by none other than emptybill > that TM is based on the Spanda theory of vibration, which > agrees with MMY's thoughts on the mechanics of consciousness > vis-s-vis the Kashemere Tantrism. > > > That the experience of qualia is not understood by modern > > science is not speculation, it's a fact. On the other hand, > > just about everything has "something to do with the > > vibratory nature of energy and matter" one way or another. > > So you're not really saying anything of any interest... > > > It's the non-TMer theories by the pundits like Xeno and > Sal that are of no interest to the average TMer. LoL! > > Vijnana Bhairava Tantra: > > "The central tenet of this system is everything is 'Spanda', > both the objective exterior reality and the subjective > world..." > > Spanda: > > "The Spanda system, introduced by Vasugupta (c. 800 AD), is > usually described as 'vibration/movement of consciousness." > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashmir_Shaivism >
