Judy,

Excellent analysis.  It appears that you've researched this subject thoroughly. 
 Now everyone has been apprised.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <authfriend@...> wrote:
>
> Let's put this discussion on a more factual basis (John,
> this is for your information as well):
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" <awoelflebater@> wrote:
> > >
> > > So did his [Liberace's] Jyotish reading indicate he was 
> > > a risk taker? A sexual risk taker in particular or just 
> > > someone like any other person who is willing to climb 
> > > a mountain, jump big jumps on horses, become a Fireman, 
> > > join the military, become a prostitute - all risky 
> > > behaviour? Of course, gay sex is not necessarily riskier 
> > > than hetero sex
> 
> At the time, it was *much* riskier because the incidence
> of HIV infection among gay men was much greater than it
> was in heterosexuals. But it isn't known when Liberace
> became HIV-positive. It's been reported that he was
> already symptomatic in 1985. If so, it means he could
> have contracted the virus in the very early days of the
> epidemic before enough was known about the disease for
> him to have even been aware that gay sex was risky.
> 
> The earliest report of AIDS in a medical publication
> was in 1981, when the CDC described a cluster of five
> men in Los Angeles who had died of Pneumocystis carinii
> pneumonia, one of the otherwise-rare opportunistic
> infections to which people with depressed immune
> systems are vulnerable. Of course the disease causing
> the immune deficiency hadn't yet been identified as
> such, and it would be awhile before it was realized
> that it could be spread via sexual contact.
> 
> One of the reasons AIDS was able to spread as it did
> before it was recognized as a new disease is that the
> *average* time from infection to illness is eight to
> ten years.
> 
>  - just ask those Doctors treating 
> > > millions of people with AIDS in Africa, for example. 
> > > Patient 0 in North America just happened to have 
> > > been a gay man. 
> > 
> > Worse, because it contributed to the ongoing prejudice
> > against gays, a gay man who was also a rather promiscuous 
> > flight attendant. He became a one-man pandemic, a Typhoid 
> > Mary for our times.
> 
> Well, no, actually he didn't, as it turned out. He would
> have infected more than a few men, but the idea that he
> started the epidemic in North America all by himself has
> been found to have been a myth. A number of gay men like
> him, who traveled a lot and were promiscuous, were
> responsible for their own clusters of infection, from
> which the virus subsequently spread widely.
> 
> Moreover, it has since been discovered that the first
> death from AIDS in the U.S. occurred in 1969, and that
> HIV may have been responsible for even earlier deaths.
> 
> > Had the AIDS virus infected Warren Beatty, who claims
> > to have had sex with hundreds and perhaps thousands
> > of women (he can't remember), would the virus have
> > been called in its early days "the movie star plague"
> > instead of what it WAS called, the "gay plague?"
> 
> Wonderful example of Barry's slovenly thinking.
> 
> > I think not. Homophobes keep associating AIDS with 
> > gay sex because that fuels their hatred of gays and
> > gives them more justifications for keeping that
> > hatred alive. They have no similar hatred towards 
> > movie stars.
> 
> AIDS was called the "gay plague" (including by gays)
> because most of the cases of it in the U.S. were in
> gay men. There's no way to sugar-coat this: gay men
> were particularly vulnerable because in those days
> gay men were particularly promiscuous.
> 
> But then one has to ask: Why were they so promiscuous?
> There's an excellent case to be made that it was a
> reaction to social prejudice against homosexuality.
> Having many sexual partners was one thing a gay man
> could do to boost his self-esteem in defiance of the
> condemnation. Society didn't allow gay men a lot of
> other options.
> 
> Plus which, social disapproval of homosexuality 
> resulted in significant delays in awareness and
> research and treatment. Bottom line, many thousands
> more gay men died of AIDS in the U.S. than would have
> been the case in the absence of homophobia.
>


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