You'd be surprised. The thing that really interfered with my understanding, of the development of consciousness, using the 7 SOC model, is, I expected a logical and verifiable progression, from one SOC, to the next, CC, GC, UC; in other words, something conforming to the academic model of learning I had grown up with. And it doesn't quite unfold that way.
There are symptomatic changes that have taken place for me, conforming to CC, GC and UC, but beyond those markers there is also a more unified transformation, having to do with a shift in identity, from smaller to larger, is about as exact as I can get - more a momentum than a fixed stopping point. TM seems to aid the further growth of this "larger" aspect, no matter what CC, GC and UC happen to be doing. CC, GC, and UC, are there as rough markers for the territory, as if I went into an art gallery looking for a painting predominantly white, yellow, and purple, for example, but having no other description. So there is so much more to grow into and learn about, beyond the symptoms of CC, GC and UC, using established silence as a starting point. --- In [email protected], Michael Jackson <mjackson74@...> wrote: > > there is no common sense in what you are saying. > > If one is in what Maharishi called God Consciousness or certainly Unity > Consciousness, how could there possibly be a need to meditate? > > Not only are you Pure Awareness, you are consciously aware of BEING Pure > Awareness. > > What possible use could meditation be once you have awakened permanently to > the experience of being everything in the Universe and all of the Unbounded > Awareness that lies beneath the manifest forms? > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Buck <dhamiltony2k5@...> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 12:52 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators > > > >  > > > --- In [email protected], Michael Jackson <mjackson74@> wrote: > > > > Well, you've been meditating a lot longer than me, certainly doing TM > > longer than me, but I seem to remember Maharishi saying that once > > enlightenment comes, there is no need to meditate. > > > > Any other governors here on FFL wanna verify whether Buck or I have the > > right of it? > > > > > > Nope, bullshit. I spent a lot of time with Maharshi and it was always > amazing and appalling how bad people, even governors so badly misquoted him > even while I heard him say the things originally. > -Buck > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Buck > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 12:12 PM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators > > > > > > > > à> > > > > > > > > > On 8/5/2013 7:21 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > > Whoah!!! > > > > > > > > "What could non-meditators have to say that has worthwhile perspective?" > > > > > > > > This does imply Buck, that you feel non-meditators of every stripe > > > > have nothing to offer to the world. That means you think the vast > > > > majority of the world has nothing to offer. > > > > > > > > That kind of elitist mind set is one of the reasons I no longer do TM. > > > > Feste was a faculty member at MIU in the 1980's so I bet Feste was a > > > > sidha or governor. > > > > > > > > Either way, from my point of view, not doing TM is not a tragedy nor > > > > is it throwing it away. The whole point to TM was supposed to be > > > > getting one to the state where one no longer needs to meditate. > > > > > > > > No, that's not what Guru Dev, Maharishi's teacher taught. Even the > > enlightened continue to meditate for good reasons. Jim DA here has even > > said that in his discoursing on FFL. But really you should spend more time > > with more meditation and more time reading Guru Dev's discourses. The > > Brahmananda Saraswati discourses are online and can be easily read during > > the day or late at nite by skipping the posts on FFL of the non-meditators > > here and reading the Guru Dev discourses instead. That is lifetime very > > well spent. -Buck > > http://lbshriver.wordpress.com/guru-dev-lectures/ > > > > > > > > There are a lot of reasons to not meditate regularly and none of them > > > > are tragic. One of the things I enjoy about not doing TM is that I no > > > > longer experience fatigue in the late afternoon. All the years I did > > > > TM, I would get tired around 3 or 4 pm, especially if I could not for > > > > some reason do the afternoon meditation. Now I go till 9 pm without > > > > fatigue which is when I get sleepy. Then I sleep. > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > *From:* Buck > > > > *To:* [email protected] > > > > *Sent:* Monday, August 5, 2013 7:53 AM > > > > *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected] > > > > <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Michael Jackson > > > > <mjackson74@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > So Buck do you consider everyone who ever learned the sidhis to > > > > still be a sidha or governor even if they don't do them and don't do TM? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear MJ; > > > > Well, we are identified by the things we do. Yur a meditator or yur > > > > not in this case. Yur a 'practicing' sidha or yur not. Likewise a > > > > Governor. In our case here, Yur a practitioner or yur a quitter. Of > > > > course people will split hairs many more ways. It sounds like Feste is > > > > a non-meditator quitter as in once learned meditation and just does > > > > not do it. Like if I remember right you are a meditator, as in learned > > > > to meditate and you meditate now. It is the only reason I bother to > > > > read yur posts here. What could non-meditators have to say that has > > > > worthwhile perspective? That someone could learn meditation and throw > > > > it away is tragedy beyond reason. I'm a practical guy, no > > > > philosopher,I meditate and I use Patanjali all the time too, a sidha > > > > too. > > > > I got to git to morning meditation at the Dome right now. > > > > Jai Brahmananda Saraswati, > > > > -Buck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > From: Buck > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 8:23 PM > > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Meditators > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected] > > > > <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "feste37" <feste37@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > One of your many problems is that you ascribe to people things > > > > they have never said and positions they do not hold. I don't do TM, > > > > for a start, although I have done in the past. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Feste, you don't meditate? Om Jeez. Yur a non-meditator? I am > > > > going to have to re-set my FFL spam filter again. This is really > > > > disaffecting to find this out now. I thought you were one of us all > > > > along. Wait, you mean you're not a meditator but you're a sidha? Like, > > > > not just a meditator but a citizen or governor? But most of the > > > > meditating town are meditators (common denominator) and don't do the > > > > sidhis anymore (a factor). Like, people here be Meditators but not > > > > coming to the Dome program the movement offers. There's only about > > > > 300-plus coming to the Dome TM-sidhis program now with the failure and > > > > collapse of the Invincible America Meditation. So really you're a > > > > meditator too. Aren't you? What do you mean? Just wondering, > > > > > -Buck, the Conservative and Group Meditator Still in the Dome > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
