I know this make open the proverbial can of worms but I have-ta ask anyway. Is it your assertion that Robin C. got into the place he got into internally and externally because he stopped doing TM? And only for that reason?
________________________________ From: sparaig <lengli...@cox.net> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 4:13 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators You've misunderstood things a great deal, I'm afraid. TM allows the nervous system to rest, thereby repairing stress. Alternating TM with regular activity starts to establish the general pattern associated with pure consciousness as a trait outside of meditation. As this trait becomes stronger, the meditator starts to note some degree of quiet watchfulness as a background to all activity. As the trait becomes stronger still, this background becomes noticeable at all times in all states of consciousness. Because we naturally call our "self" that which is most constant in our internal landscape, it is natural for a person who notes this quiet background 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, to start to identify this constant, quiet, non-judgemental, ever watchful background as their "real" self. Once this occurs and becomes permanent, than one could claim they are in the beginning stages of CC. HOWEVER, just because they have some degree of pure consciousness as a background at all times, doesn't mean that they are fully enlightened, CC-wise: you can't be certain that the situation will persist indefinitely for example. Also, there might be plenty of stresses left in the nervous system that manifest as thoughts during meditation, so that you don't remain in pure consciousness your entire meditation time. Even if you DO remain in pure consciousness your entire meditation time, that doesn't mean that this will happen EVERY time you meditate, and so, people continue to meditate. Now, with GC and UC, you need to have some detree of stabilization in CC before you can truly talk about being in one of the higher states, but again, how stable is stable? One could note PC at all times in activity and identify it as one's true self and start to appreciate more and more subtle aspects of the perceptual world even though CC isn't fully mature (since one can never be sure that CC is fully mature, how could it be otherwise?). Likewise, with UC, one could be established in some preliminary stable state of GC, while still having plenty of growth left in CC AND GC. And of course, growth in UC has no theoretical endpoint anyway. This is where Robin Carlson messed up: he thought that he "had it all" because he had a valid experience of UC, and, at least by what he has said, he stopped doing TM. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson <mjackson74@...> wrote: > > there is no common sense in what you are saying. > > If one is in what Maharishi called God Consciousness or certainly Unity > Consciousness, how could there possibly be a need to meditate? > > Not only are you Pure Awareness, you are consciously aware of BEING Pure > Awareness. > > What possible use could meditation be once you have awakened permanently to > the experience of being everything in the Universe and all of the Unbounded > Awareness that lies beneath the manifest forms? > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Buck <dhamiltony2k5@...> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 12:52 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators > > > >  > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson <mjackson74@> wrote: > > > > Well, you've been meditating a lot longer than me, certainly doing TM > > longer than me, but I seem to remember Maharishi saying that once > > enlightenment comes, there is no need to meditate. > > > > Any other governors here on FFL wanna verify whether Buck or I have the > > right of it? > > > > > > Nope, bullshit. I spent a lot of time with Maharshi and it was always > amazing and appalling how bad people, even governors so badly misquoted him > even while I heard him say the things originally. > -Buck > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Buck > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 12:12 PM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > On 8/5/2013 7:21 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > > Whoah!!! > > > > > > > > "What could non-meditators have to say that has worthwhile perspective?" > > > > > > > > This does imply Buck, that you feel non-meditators of every stripe > > > > have nothing to offer to the world. That means you think the vast > > > > majority of the world has nothing to offer. > > > > > > > > That kind of elitist mind set is one of the reasons I no longer do TM. > > > > Feste was a faculty member at MIU in the 1980's so I bet Feste was a > > > > sidha or governor. > > > > > > > > Either way, from my point of view, not doing TM is not a tragedy nor > > > > is it throwing it away. The whole point to TM was supposed to be > > > > getting one to the state where one no longer needs to meditate. > > > > > > > > No, that's not what Guru Dev, Maharishi's teacher taught. Even the > > enlightened continue to meditate for good reasons. Jim DA here has even > > said that in his discoursing on FFL. But really you should spend more time > > with more meditation and more time reading Guru Dev's discourses. The > > Brahmananda Saraswati discourses are online and can be easily read during > > the day or late at nite by skipping the posts on FFL of the non-meditators > > here and reading the Guru Dev discourses instead. That is lifetime very > > well spent. -Buck > > http://lbshriver.wordpress.com/guru-dev-lectures/ > > > > > > > > There are a lot of reasons to not meditate regularly and none of them > > > > are tragic. One of the things I enjoy about not doing TM is that I no > > > > longer experience fatigue in the late afternoon. All the years I did > > > > TM, I would get tired around 3 or 4 pm, especially if I could not for > > > > some reason do the afternoon meditation. Now I go till 9 pm without > > > > fatigue which is when I get sleepy. Then I sleep. > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > *From:* Buck > > > > *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > *Sent:* Monday, August 5, 2013 7:53 AM > > > > *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Michael Jackson > > > > <mjackson74@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > So Buck do you consider everyone who ever learned the sidhis to > > > > still be a sidha or governor even if they don't do them and don't do TM? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear MJ; > > > > Well, we are identified by the things we do. Yur a meditator or yur > > > > not in this case. Yur a 'practicing' sidha or yur not. Likewise a > > > > Governor. In our case here, Yur a practitioner or yur a quitter. Of > > > > course people will split hairs many more ways. It sounds like Feste is > > > > a non-meditator quitter as in once learned meditation and just does > > > > not do it. Like if I remember right you are a meditator, as in learned > > > > to meditate and you meditate now. It is the only reason I bother to > > > > read yur posts here. What could non-meditators have to say that has > > > > worthwhile perspective? That someone could learn meditation and throw > > > > it away is tragedy beyond reason. I'm a practical guy, no > > > > philosopher,I meditate and I use Patanjali all the time too, a sidha > > > > too. > > > > I got to git to morning meditation at the Dome right now. > > > > Jai Brahmananda Saraswati, > > > > -Buck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > From: Buck > > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 8:23 PM > > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Meditators > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "feste37" <feste37@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > One of your many problems is that you ascribe to people things > > > > they have never said and positions they do not hold. I don't do TM, > > > > for a start, although I have done in the past. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Feste, you don't meditate? Om Jeez. Yur a non-meditator? I am > > > > going to have to re-set my FFL spam filter again. This is really > > > > disaffecting to find this out now. I thought you were one of us all > > > > along. Wait, you mean you're not a meditator but you're a sidha? Like, > > > > not just a meditator but a citizen or governor? But most of the > > > > meditating town are meditators (common denominator) and don't do the > > > > sidhis anymore (a factor). Like, people here be Meditators but not > > > > coming to the Dome program the movement offers. There's only about > > > > 300-plus coming to the Dome TM-sidhis program now with the failure and > > > > collapse of the Invincible America Meditation. So really you're a > > > > meditator too. Aren't you? What do you mean? Just wondering, > > > > > -Buck, the Conservative and Group Meditator Still in the Dome > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
