Dunno. It didn't help, I am reasonably certain. L
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson <mjackson74@...> wrote: > > I know this make open the proverbial can of worms but I have-ta ask anyway. > Is it your assertion that Robin C. got into the place he got into internally > and externally because he stopped doing TM? And only for that reason? > > > > > ________________________________ > From: sparaig <LEnglish5@...> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 4:13 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators > > > >  > You've misunderstood things a great deal, I'm afraid. > > TM allows the nervous system to rest, thereby repairing stress. Alternating > TM with regular activity starts to establish the general pattern associated > with pure consciousness as a trait outside of meditation. As this trait > becomes stronger, the meditator starts to note some degree of quiet > watchfulness as a background to all activity. As the trait becomes stronger > still, this background becomes noticeable at all times in all states of > consciousness. > > Because we naturally call our "self" that which is most constant in our > internal landscape, it is natural for a person who notes this quiet > background 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, to start to identify this constant, > quiet, non-judgemental, ever watchful background as their "real" self. Once > this occurs and becomes permanent, than one could claim they are in the > beginning stages of CC. > > HOWEVER, just because they have some degree of pure consciousness as a > background at all times, doesn't mean that they are fully enlightened, > CC-wise: > > you can't be certain that the situation will persist indefinitely for > example. Also, there might be plenty of stresses left in the nervous system > that manifest as thoughts during meditation, so that you don't remain in pure > consciousness your entire meditation time. > > Even if you DO remain in pure consciousness your entire meditation time, that > doesn't mean that this will happen EVERY time you meditate, and so, people > continue to meditate. > > Now, with GC and UC, you need to have some detree of stabilization in CC > before you can truly talk about being in one of the higher states, but again, > how stable is stable? One could note PC at all times in activity and identify > it as one's true self and start to appreciate more and more subtle aspects of > the perceptual world even though CC isn't fully mature (since one can never > be sure that CC is fully mature, how could it be otherwise?). > > Likewise, with UC, one could be established in some preliminary stable state > of GC, while still having plenty of growth left in CC AND GC. And of course, > growth in UC has no theoretical endpoint anyway. > > This is where Robin Carlson messed up: he thought that he "had it all" > because he had a valid experience of UC, and, at least by what he has said, > he stopped doing TM. > > L > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson <mjackson74@> wrote: > > > > there is no common sense in what you are saying. > > > > If one is in what Maharishi called God Consciousness or certainly Unity > > Consciousness, how could there possibly be a need to meditate? > > > > Not only are you Pure Awareness, you are consciously aware of BEING Pure > > Awareness. > > > > What possible use could meditation be once you have awakened permanently to > > the experience of being everything in the Universe and all of the Unbounded > > Awareness that lies beneath the manifest forms? > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Buck <dhamiltony2k5@> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 12:52 PM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators > > > > > > > > à> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson <mjackson74@> wrote: > > > > > > Well, you've been meditating a lot longer than me, certainly doing TM > > > longer than me, but I seem to remember Maharishi saying that once > > > enlightenment comes, there is no need to meditate. > > > > > > Any other governors here on FFL wanna verify whether Buck or I have the > > > right of it? > > > > > > > > > > Nope, bullshit. I spent a lot of time with Maharshi and it was always > > amazing and appalling how bad people, even governors so badly misquoted him > > even while I heard him say the things originally. > > -Buck > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Buck > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 12:12 PM > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators > > > > > > > > > > > > Ãâà> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/5/2013 7:21 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > > > Whoah!!! > > > > > > > > > > "What could non-meditators have to say that has worthwhile > > > > > perspective?" > > > > > > > > > > This does imply Buck, that you feel non-meditators of every stripe > > > > > have nothing to offer to the world. That means you think the vast > > > > > majority of the world has nothing to offer. > > > > > > > > > > That kind of elitist mind set is one of the reasons I no longer do > > > > > TM. > > > > > Feste was a faculty member at MIU in the 1980's so I bet Feste was a > > > > > sidha or governor. > > > > > > > > > > Either way, from my point of view, not doing TM is not a tragedy nor > > > > > is it throwing it away. The whole point to TM was supposed to be > > > > > getting one to the state where one no longer needs to meditate. > > > > > > > > > > > No, that's not what Guru Dev, Maharishi's teacher taught. Even the > > > enlightened continue to meditate for good reasons. Jim DA here has even > > > said that in his discoursing on FFL. But really you should spend more > > > time with more meditation and more time reading Guru Dev's discourses. > > > The Brahmananda Saraswati discourses are online and can be easily read > > > during the day or late at nite by skipping the posts on FFL of the > > > non-meditators here and reading the Guru Dev discourses instead. That is > > > lifetime very well spent. -Buck > > > http://lbshriver.wordpress.com/guru-dev-lectures/ > > > > > > > > > > > There are a lot of reasons to not meditate regularly and none of them > > > > > are tragic. One of the things I enjoy about not doing TM is that I no > > > > > longer experience fatigue in the late afternoon. All the years I did > > > > > TM, I would get tired around 3 or 4 pm, especially if I could not for > > > > > some reason do the afternoon meditation. Now I go till 9 pm without > > > > > fatigue which is when I get sleepy. Then I sleep. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > *From:* Buck > > > > > *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > *Sent:* Monday, August 5, 2013 7:53 AM > > > > > *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com>, Michael Jackson > > > > > <mjackson74@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > So Buck do you consider everyone who ever learned the sidhis to > > > > > still be a sidha or governor even if they don't do them and don't do > > > > > TM? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear MJ; > > > > > Well, we are identified by the things we do. Yur a meditator or yur > > > > > not in this case. Yur a 'practicing' sidha or yur not. Likewise a > > > > > Governor. In our case here, Yur a practitioner or yur a quitter. Of > > > > > course people will split hairs many more ways. It sounds like Feste > > > > > is > > > > > a non-meditator quitter as in once learned meditation and just does > > > > > not do it. Like if I remember right you are a meditator, as in > > > > > learned > > > > > to meditate and you meditate now. It is the only reason I bother to > > > > > read yur posts here. What could non-meditators have to say that has > > > > > worthwhile perspective? That someone could learn meditation and throw > > > > > it away is tragedy beyond reason. I'm a practical guy, no > > > > > philosopher,I meditate and I use Patanjali all the time too, a sidha > > > > > too. > > > > > I got to git to morning meditation at the Dome right now. > > > > > Jai Brahmananda Saraswati, > > > > > -Buck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > From: Buck > > > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 8:23 PM > > > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Meditators > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Ã'âââ¬à ¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "feste37" <feste37@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of your many problems is that you ascribe to people things > > > > > they have never said and positions they do not hold. I don't do TM, > > > > > for a start, although I have done in the past. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Feste, you don't meditate? Om Jeez. Yur a non-meditator? I am > > > > > going to have to re-set my FFL spam filter again. This is really > > > > > disaffecting to find this out now. I thought you were one of us all > > > > > along. Wait, you mean you're not a meditator but you're a sidha? > > > > > Like, > > > > > not just a meditator but a citizen or governor? But most of the > > > > > meditating town are meditators (common denominator) and don't do the > > > > > sidhis anymore (a factor). Like, people here be Meditators but not > > > > > coming to the Dome program the movement offers. There's only about > > > > > 300-plus coming to the Dome TM-sidhis program now with the failure > > > > > and > > > > > collapse of the Invincible America Meditation. So really you're a > > > > > meditator too. Aren't you? What do you mean? Just wondering, > > > > > > -Buck, the Conservative and Group Meditator Still in the Dome > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
