Actually, I remember you Rory, when you first appeared on TMNews. There you were actually much more critical of the TM movement and Maharishi, which at the time, actually was quite off-putting to me.
Now, you ARE able to take a stand - and I appreciate how you do this in a way, not trying to hurt anybody and without aggression. Otherwise you do sound sort of streamlined to a particular philosophical tschick. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" <steve.sundur@...> wrote: > > > Good stuff. This is called taking a stand Rory. But taking a stand in > a mature, firm way that establishes boundaries. Too bad it probably > won't be appreciated by those who have other agendas they wish to > pursue. > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff" wrote: > > > > Thanks, Jim, I appreciate the offering! > > > > Ravi, I did consider you a friend; as you may recall I was one of the > very few here who stood up for you and defended you, when most here were > abusing you and calling you crazy, etc. I have always respected you and > wished you well. I have no real beliefs that I hold to as Gospel -- as > if you have any clarity at all you can see -- so for you to fly at me > with your patented tirades, is I suspect mainly because I won't join you > in attacking Barry. I think you and your cronies do a fine job of > attacking him all by yourselves; you seem to enjoy it, and certainly > don't need my help. I have found in my own life that I generally reap > what I sow, and sowing love and trying to find common ground usually > works better for me than hate, name-calling and abuse. Usually, anyhow. > But maybe that's just me. My life is my own work of art, and yours is > yours. You are free to do with yours what you want, but I would > appreciate it if you leave me out of it, and I will leave you out of > mine, unless or until you are ready to give me at least as much respect > and appreciation as I have consistently given you. > > > > And much the same goes for you, Judy -- I have always loved your > overall clarity and appreciate much of what you do here, but your > calling my energetic process "bullcrap" and opining that I am as "phony > as a three-dollar bill" is -- while quite funny in a way -- simply > bullcrap that I don't need in my life. As I suspect you don't need me in > yours. > > > > Holding the two of you in my heart was essentially self-abuse (and not > the fun kind); it actually has hurt like hell, and I hope I won't make > that mistake in a hurry again. > > > > Best of luck to the both of you; I do love you both and wish you all > the fulfillment that life has to offer. > > > > Just without me, for the time being. > > > > *L*L*L* > > > > R. > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ > wrote: > > > > > > "From the little I know of Rory he seems a sweet and gentle soul. > And he > > > doesn't deserve to be abused." > > > > > > Rory was abused - by whom, when, where, how? > > > > > > Dear Ann - I seriously hope you are not referring to me. I was rude > and > > > harsh - on purpose, because the nature of religious delusional > beliefs are > > > such, they are very deep rooted, people have so much emotional, > > > psychological investment in it and I cannot leave them unchallenged. > I am > > > known to be abusive, but not in this case since as you say Rory is a > sweet > > > and gentle soul. But there weren't but sweet and gentle souls around > Amma > > > and many on this list as well and I had to be harsh and rude. Of > course I > > > am not rude and harsh to everyone - if it's a friend I'm still going > to > > > challenge gently and firmly (of course I don't call their beliefs > > > delusional but in my mind I do) and I have challenged however hard > and > > > uncomfortable it is to me. Trust me I don't particularly enjoy it. > In this > > > case Rory is not particularly a close friend and I preferred to > chose the > > > rude, harsh way. > > > > > > The only person I have given a free pass is a 64 year old Jewish > gentleman > > > named David around Amma, I met him after my mystical experiences in > 2009 - > > > I very much got attracted to David-ji. I consider him as a father > figure > > > and he was in charge of cleaning Amma's temple and I helped him and > used to > > > obey him unconditionally, first time in my life following the orders > of a > > > man in my personal life. So he may talk about Amma as Divine Mother > and I > > > give it as pass though I may address it in a roundabout way. I told > him I > > > attacked Amma online and he just laughed because he knows me and has > seen > > > me as the mad, crazy yogi, an iconoclast who challenges people, > mocks > > > people beliefs, push people's buttons. This challenge comes up even > as I > > > deal with family members - my dharma, responsibility to love, > support them > > > as a son, as a brother, relative vs my need to challenge people's > > > delusional beliefs - it's not easy, I have to assess moment to > moment. > > > > > > So there I hope this explains that somehow. Even if you were to come > > > tomorrow come up with a narrative for spiritual experiences, a > philosophy I > > > will challenge it Ann even though I like you very much, but > obviously > > > gently and firmly. Same applies to any other friend of mine, I am > not going > > > to let any religious delusional belief go unchallenged. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 9:00 PM, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The party continues...and parties need music... > > > > > > > > > > Bringing you da freshest! > > > > > > > > > > This one is dedicated to Rory, who is truly one of my BFFs, even > if I > > > > may agree to disagree with him on the protocol for handling > dipsticks. > > > > > > > > > > Tuning Into Vedic Radio (3:30) > > > > > > > > > > https://app.box.com/s/2hx2rylk73cy5vi8p1ot > > > > > > > > > > copyright Temple Dog 2013 > > > > > > > > Well then, Rory is blessed with a good friend in you, Doc. From > the little > > > > I know of Rory he seems a sweet and gentle soul. And he doesn't > deserve to > > > > be abused. Now I'll listen to your song, and thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
