--- In [email protected], akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Akasha:
> > > Does it strike anyone else as funny, even absurd, that the whole
> > > paradigm about enlightenment on this list is dichotomous,
digital, either "on or off"?
> 
> Unc: 
> > YES!  That's exactly the issue.
>  
> > I realized that some time back, during the discussions
> > about 'appreciation.'  Some comment by, I think, Tom
> > made me completely abandon my old paradigm and come up
> > with a new one that more accurately described my 
> > subjective experience.
> 
> A: 
> > > Pure consciousness begins from the first mediation. If not before. 
> 
> U: 
> > Before.  There has never been a moment in my life when
> > I was not enlightened. 
> 
If you were jivna-mukti at birth, you had not need to incarnate.

A serious point per my prior post. People can dilute, devalue, 
reclassify, and redefine E criteria all they want. But if they come
back, they were wrong. 

I have long suggested that we run some tests on the self-proclaimed
Es. Push'em off a cliff. And if they don't come back, we will
celebrate their saintliness. 










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