--- In [email protected], Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > [...] > > > I ask because I've said in a number of posts that > > the > > > longer I meditate, the less overshadowed I am. > > > And certainly MMY teaches that it's a gradual > > process, > > > so I'm not sure why any TMer would hold that > > belief. > > > > MMY teaches that it is GENERALLY a gradual process, > > IIRC. > > It appears to be a gradual process from the side of > avidya. What is being experienced is the gradual > increase of sattva as the body and mind are purified. > When consciousness stops projecting into and > identifying with boundaries and "awakens" to itself > then it becomes self-evident that there was no gradual > process of enlightenment; that this has "always been". > But of course, prior to this realization, talking this > way just leads to the moodmaking of advaita, not > practicing yogic techniques and the continuation of a > falsehood-avidya.
Not necessarily. "Talking this way" is merely talking that way, which is completely accurate from a particular point of view. Neither the talking or the POV implies any actions on the part of the person, nor any beliefs. In my case, I could talk from this POV one moment and another the next, and see absolutely no conflict. Taking a POV is simply taking a POV. Some folks like to read more into it. >From one point of view, there has never been a moment in my entire life at which I was not enlightened. >From another, there was definitely a moment in my life in which I first clearly experienced enlightenment. Since then, that clarity has come and gone, and become more or less "full." >From yet another point of view, I do not believe in the concept of "full enlightenment" at all. I do not believe that there is an "end point" to evolution or a point at which anyone could be declared to be "fully enlightened." >From one point of view, there could appear to be a point at which I was not enlightened. From another point of view, no such point ever existed. From one point of view, there could appear to be some kind of subjective difference between 'before' and 'after.' From another, there is no difference whatsoever. ALL of these statements are completely true, and express my subjective experiences perfectly, just seen from different points of view. If you want to see contradictions in them, that's YOUR point of view. Knowledge is structured in POV. :-) ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
