--- In [email protected], akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Judy: > > I don't recall having read anyone saying here > > that you meditate for many years with no > > discernible change and then suddenly be in > > CC, at least not as the standard pattern with > > TM. But I could have missed it. > > Its diologues over the past 3-4 years. And its not an explicit claim. > But strongly imlpied -- so much so, I see no other possibility than > the underlying premise being held that one meditates for many years > with no discernible change and then suddenly be in CC. That is, there > little acknowlegement by some that there is regular and "strong" PC > "in" foreground by many. Contrary to the "pontificators" implied > singular claims to the experience. > > > The other dogma, that you can just *decide* to > > become suddenly enlightened, we've been seeing > > a lot. > > yes. Reminds me of EST.
Even est had a method to sort of shock people into it. The whole "training" was one big koan, it seems to me: the first weekend, they convinced you that you had total control over everything; the second weekend, they convinced you that you had no control over anything. Actually they *demonstrated* both were the case, in turn. That quasi-experiential contradiction was enough, apparently, to push some folks into the "gap," to "get it." And it seems that for at least a few, it stuck. At any rate, it wasn't a decision, really. You were pretty much forced into it. That makes some sense to me, but it wasn't universally effective. Some folks never "got it," and for others it made a big difference for a while but then faded. I did think the approach was ingenious. (Caveat: I never took the training, but I had several friends who did and talked to them about it a great deal, also read about it a lot. The above is what it seemed to me to boil down to. Graduates would probably rake me over the coals for thinking I had any idea of what was involved.) Oddly, I've never encountered any est graduates that I know of among TMers. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
