--- In [email protected], "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I really have a problem with that E word for two reasons. One it > carries such tremendous baggage that it does all of what Akasha > has said above without anyone knowing it does.
I completely agree. I think that the term should be thrown away and replaced with something with no meaning whatsoever. > The second reason is that in western society the word light > is totally enmeshed with the concept of switch/on/off. Not to mention the negative Western association of "dark" and "darkness" with an absence of light. > It is subtle but implies something not intended by > the Rishis of old as they had no switches to link up with > light. You must've had a real low-rent cave. Mine had electric lights and hot and cold running water and 24-hour cave service. :-) > For me the word Awake is pretty simple and conveys my > understanding that PC is in the foreground all the time > along with whatever else is going on. But it doesn't work universally as a metaphor, again because people think in terms of opposites, and polarities. When most people hear the word 'awake,' in the back of their minds they think that the antonym is 'asleep,' as in deep sleep, as in the absence of all subjective experience. This doesn't map to the distinction between 'before realization' and 'after realization.' > It is as good a descriptor as any other word. I'm not convinced, for the reasons stated above and others. I don't have a better suggestion at this point, but I'll ponder it. In my cave. I'll order some pizza from cave service and think about it over lunch. :-) > Maybe Akasha can > come up with a different word. No need to label but definately > IT needs some language to describe what is going on without a > fifty word description plus another fifty word disclaimer. Maybe it doesn't. Maybe the whole *problem* is with people trying to come up with labels for something that can never be labeled. Maybe the whole *problem* is trying to reduce something that can *never* be described to a fifty-word description. Unless you come up with a completely made-up word that has no connotations for *anyone*, you're going to run into the problem of pre-associations with that word. If you make up a new one, you're going to run into the need to try to define it, something that can never be done. Someone on another spiritual forum I participate in once misplaced his fingers on the keyboard and typed 'enkughtenment' instead of 'enlightenment.' It spawned a very funny exchange, but the term stuck around. Now we tend to use 'enkughtenment' in these discussions because everyone knows the phenomenon we're trying to talk about, but without any of the preconceptions associated with other terms. Besides, it helps people to lighten up, which is always a good thing. :-) ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
