Ann sez: No, no Share. These are not "spiritual warriors". These are people, like the rest of us, who do what is most desirable and fulfilling for themselves. If these meditators actually felt like they wanted to do something else for 7 hours a day they would do it. Now, these long-term, incessant meditators obviously have absolutely nothing else pressing in their lives to compel them to want to stand up and open their eyes. I feel sorry for them. You spend a long time dead (presumably in the dark with your eyes, or lack of eyes, closed seeing nothing). I have a theory and I'm stickin' to it: if these meditating individuals had a passion or real interests in their lives (or even a family) they would be up and at 'em and imbibing what this magnificent world has to offer. Do you not think someone in activity can be a "spiritual warrior"? And what is that anyway? If you say, they are people like the rest of us, I say yes they are. If you say, you feel sorry for them, I say I feel sorry for you feeling sorry for them. You say, they just sit for 7 1/2 hours in meditation, since they have nothing else to do, no passions etc? Do you really believe that? That means you cannot imagine, that a person actually enjoys meditation, and is absorbed for a long time. I mean, how long could you sit in meditation, honestly, before getting bored? 1 hour, 2 hours, 1/2 hour? What I mean to say is that a person doesn't meditate for so long, just because he has nothing else to do. Quite obviously persons who meditate so long enjoy it tremendously, and quite obviously they feel passionate about it, just as you maybe feel passionate about horses.
What is there about horses anyway, do we still need them? Haven't we got cars, which bring us much safer and without getting wet to our destiny? Why waste all your time with horses, and what would happen, if everybody would just be preoccupied with horses all the time? Couldn't you just leave them alone? What about marathon, I run almost marathons, a marathon takes minimum 4 hours, and you have to add extra rest you need afterwards, getting to the place etc. training it every week. Or what about iron man, can't they find passion to do something useful? No, the argument, that people, who like to meditate long, do so because they lack other passions is bogus. Meditation is their passion. You are not able to quieten your mind, that is why you have to preoccupy it with all kinds of senseless stuff, just be engaged, never get to look at yourself. Riding horses is just a distraction, it doesn't get you anywhere, and it's not meditation either, the joy of it will not stay on. You will never know the Ananda of meditation, you have been on the spiritual path allegedly for years, have lived in Fairfield, had many encounter sessions with Robin, but you still don't know the bliss of meditation. Great saints like Ramana Maharshi continued to meditate for 15 years in Virupaksha cave even after their enlightenment. And why did he do this? Because he could do it. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, <awoelflebater@...> wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Uh oh, now I'm in trouble! Seraphita, I'm retired and I live in a small rural town. So I have time for all this. My power naps are like 10 minutes and only if I've had insomnia the night before, so not every day. My asanas don't take very long, nor does my pranayama. I prefer activity to sitting so my whole TMSP is about the minimum. But I am in awe of people who are doing TMSP for 7 1/2 hours per day. And have been doing so for 7 years! Spiritual warriors IMHO! No, no Share. These are not "spiritual warriors". These are people, like the rest of us, who do what is most desirable and fulfilling for themselves. If these meditators actually felt like they wanted to do something else for 7 hours a day they would do it. Now, these long-term, incessant meditators obviously have absolutely nothing else pressing in their lives to compel them to want to stand up and open their eyes. I feel sorry for them. You spend a long time dead (presumably in the dark with your eyes, or lack of eyes, closed seeing nothing). I have a theory and I'm stickin' to it: if these meditating individuals had a passion or real interests in their lives (or even a family) they would be up and at 'em and imbibing what this magnificent world has to offer. Do you not think someone in activity can be a "spiritual warrior"? And what is that anyway? From: "s3raphita@..." <s3raphita@...> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 10:37 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: The power nap: an alternative to TM? Re "I like power naps. But before I substitute TM with a nap, I'd want to see research that indicates that the nap was contributing to whole brain enlivening and coherence, not just to feeling refreshed.": Yes indeed. How do you find time to fit in two meditation sessions a day AND power naps? (And are you also yoga-stretching, pranayama-ing and butt-bouncing ever day?) ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, <sharelong60@...> wrote: Seraphita, I like power naps. But before I substitute TM with a nap, I'd want to see research that indicates that the nap was contributing to whole brain enlivening and coherence, not just to feeling refreshed, though that is a good thing too. And I mean whole brain enlivening and coherence as indicated by an fMRI or EEG not just subjective report. From: "s3raphita@..." <s3raphita@...> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2013 9:42 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The power nap: an alternative to TM? A power nap is a short sleep which terminates before the occurrence of deep sleep or slow-wave sleep, intended to quickly revitalize the subject. Various durations are recommended for power naps, which are very short compared to regular sleep. The short duration of a power nap is designed to prevent nappers from sleeping so long that they enter a normal sleep cycle without being able to complete it. Going beyond sleep stages I and II but failing to complete a full sleep cycle, can result in a phenomenon known as sleep inertia, where one feels groggy, disoriented, and even more sleepy than before beginning the nap. Brief naps (10–15 minutes) can improve alertness directly after awakening. Scientific experiments and anecdotal evidence suggest that an average power nap duration of around 30 minutes is most effective. Any more time, and the body enters into its usual sleep cycle. People who regularly take power naps may develop a good idea of what duration works best for them, as well as what tools, environment, position, and associated factors help induce the best results. Mitsuo Hayashi and Tadao Hori have demonstrated that a nap improves mental performance even after a full night's sleep. Power naps of less than 30 minutes—even those as brief as 6 and 10 minutes—restore wakefulness and promote performance and learning. (Copied from Wiki)
