What were the forces in your life that led to your being deceived so badly? Having found yourself in that situation, and then realising that you needed to extract yourself from it, it would seem reasonable to ask what factors resulted in such gullibility in the first place.
Parents, educational systems contribute to this. Politicians certainly do not want you to be able to think clearly. It is harder to control people who have mental tools to see through deceptions, but it also takes a bit of learning to develop them; we do not seem to be born with them intact, we seem to have an innate capacity for self-deception right from the start. It does not seem there have been many studies of TM and the TMSP that have been designed to determine if they are effective in specific ways of social interaction. The movement does not seem to care for studies that show how many people stop praciticing its techniques. We all have personal accounts of some people becoming somewhat 'better' after learning TM but is that because of TM or the effect of peer pressure and belief that TM is doing this? And there is the opposite, people that seemed fairly 'normal' becoming total assholes after learning these things. The same things happen in other movements. So what is at work here? Do we really know anything to an extent that we can determine a cause? If you got burned in the TM movement, one can postulate many antecedent causes leading up to that. How do you choose which one to blame and why is that choice the correct one, what sort of criterion or criteria makes that choice probably right? Do you have a choice? - Do those thought about how bad it all was just come streaming out on their own, effortlessly, spontaneously? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote: I know that there is still the mind set that no matter what M may have done that wasn't ethical, the effect of TM and TMSP is so good and so powerful, it is best to ignore or rationalize that the negative or dark side of M and the Movement is outweighed by the vast positive benefit to the individual and the world. I know there is that mind set but I don't agree with it. I do not see any evidence the group practice of TMSP is having any kind of effect of offsetting the "negative" energy around the world. If you take the current state of the world as evidence of Marshy effect then it is clear the Marshy Effect is either non-existent or a colossal failure. I have come to feel that TM itself seems to work well for a couple years and then for some reason the positive benefits seem to fade away. I mean even old timers like Rick don't just strictly do TM - they do other stuff. If TM is so fabulous, people would not step away from it. There have been too many suicides, too many mental breakdowns and too many high ups in the Movement whose behavior is the opposite of what you would expect from folks practicing daily the royal technique for enlightenment. That last is of great importance to me. I don't feel you can make the grandiose claims for a mental technique and have the actual results be totally off base or totally different than what is promised and still legitimately believe the technique will do what is claimed for it. When the people who have been doing TMSP the longest behave in the arrogant, elitist, unethical manner I have seen in people like Hagelin, Morris, Greg Wilson, Susan Humphries, Chris Crowell, Neal Patterson, Bill Sands, Reed Martin and so on and so forth I see that the TMSP has had the OPPOSITE effect on their behavior that it should have had. So while I admire your desire to change the world, it won't change through folks doing TM and TMSP - if it was going to do so, it would already have done it. The state to the world today is a testament to Marshy's monumental failure to make significant changes in world consciousness through his programs. Of course, I believe his real program was to make himself into a demigod in people's minds, make tons of money for himself and his family and get laid a whole bunch while he was still young enough to enjoy it, so he actually did have the effect he wanted to have, it just wasn't the effect he promoted in public. -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 12/5/13, dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... <dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Go Out and Radiate! To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, December 5, 2013, 3:15 PM MJ, did you miss that this was a spiritual revival movement in a muddy world filled with vasana? I feel you are being too hard on how he did it and what all we did. Like, was Christ perfect in everything? Never stubbed his toe? We could surely use some help changing the world to a better place. Give up this negativistic POV and come back to meditation with us. -Buck ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote: it is a great lecture, no question - too bad he was such a liar and scam artist and by the way, the state of the world today and the behavior of a vast majority of the world's population is proof positive that one of his core tenants and that which he bases much of his "proof" that meditation is so valid, i.e. that "the nature of the mind is to go to a field of greater happiness" is patently absurd and not true. -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 12/5/13, Richard J. Williams <punditster@...> wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Go Out and Radiate! To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, December 5, 2013, 2:24 AM This has got to be the most spot-on lecture MMY ever gave! I was there at Jones Hall and it was just absolutely amazing - you could have heard a pin drop in that hall and everyone was hanging on his every word; the audience was spell-bound with the whole scene. I have this lecture on VHS tape and have watched it numerous times over the years. Incredible lecture! A must see for every TMer: 'Maharishi - A Promise for the Family of Man' Historic Lecture at Jones Hall, Houston, TX http://youtu.be/k3swI5n_mW0 http://youtu.be/k3swI5n_mW0 On 12/4/2013 7:20 PM, Buck wrote: Thanks, that is wonderful to hear again [the Youtube clip in your post]. I honor how 'on message' he was throughout his life. Teaching. He gave a lecture very like this one of 1972 even within a few months of his death. Remarkably on message. He was a remarkable sat guru, guru on the roadways of the world. Of Life in the body a promise for the family of humankind. I miss him, -Buck
