Steve and Seraph, this reminds me of the concept of object referral, which is 
the opposite of Self referral and maybe opposite to what Maslow called Being 
cognition. I think it means we think objects are the source of our happiness 
where objects can be objects or situations or even other people for a person 
who experiences that way. It leads not only to out of control materialism but 
also the kind of dysfunctional relationships that are being discussed in the 
thread about Samantha and Jasmine! When people operate from Being values, then 
they don't turn other people into objects, even unconsciously.





On Thursday, January 9, 2014 10:05 PM, "[email protected]" 
<[email protected]> wrote:
 
  
Re"the opposing forces, broadly defined as materialism":


Yes, the obsession with money and the status it confers is the only value in 
today's society - or certainly the value that now dominates in both the UK and 
the USA. It's so bloody philistine and degrading and small-minded and has 
triumphed over all the noble ideals that once motivated people. 
Now given a straight choice between having the latest model Aston Martin or not 
having a car at all I would naturally choose to have the car. I'm not denying 
that having an Aston Martin is a good thing. I'm aware that classy luxury cars 
are beautiful possessions. But I can also see that other values are more 
life-affirming: belonging to a supportive community where people respect and 
value each other is just one example. And I'd happily forsake the car if I 
could live in such a supportive society. But the obsession with material 
possessions and personal status has eroded all competing values until we can 
now all see we are living in a spiritual wasteland where greed is the norm.
But "materialism" can also refer to a reductive philosophy that explains life 
strictly in scientific and technological terms and has no time for the inner 
life or spiritual discipline. It's surely no coincidence that both types of 
materialism are flourishing in tandem. 
Current trends will result in such wide divisions between the haves and 
have-nots - compounded by the insufferable arrogance of the rich - that I fear 
serious unrest and violence is inevitable. I can't decide whether serious 
unrest and violence is precisely what we need to break out of the trap or 
whether, on the contrary, we need a spiritual revival from the roots. I suspect 
that both types of upheaval also arise in tandem.

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