I confess I don't understand that at all - were there only men on that first 
course? How come the householders weren't there and what kind of piggy things 
were you guys doing?
On Sat, 2/8/14, steve.sun...@yahoo.com <steve.sun...@yahoo.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Saturday, February 8, 2014, 1:13 AM
       I was
 never one for flashy experiences. The hi-light of the
 course, was, of course, all the face time with
 There was all kinds of
 experimentation going on with diet, and enemas, even to the
 point where we had blood withdrawn, for some sort of
 Also, it was during that
 time that I developed quite a love, yes love, I will say for
 the Upanishads.  We would read those for hours at a
 time.  I don't recall if it was that period, or a
 different period when I was actually able to sit in a full
 lotus for at least a half hour period of meditation,
 sometimes with my hands in the mudra pose.  I noticed
 that that had a profound influence on purifying my
 physiology.  Now, I don't like to use buzz words
 like that, but that is the best way I can describe it.
  I remember reading later, that the full lotus helps to
 purify, or have a positive effect on the nerves in your
 I did have one flashy
 experience which I related here before, I believe.  I
 had worked myself into such a devotional frenzy towards
 Maharishi, that I actually had the sensation of my heart
 melting.  Yes, I suppose it was some effect of the
 heart chakra, but it was the most exquisite feeling, and it
 felt like...... your heart melted.  
 Another funny moment, I may
 have shared here before.  This six months course was
 the worst, the very worst time for householders in the
 movement.  We were getting all this face time with
 Maharishi, and the householders were feeling very
 Well, one afternoon, John
 Konhaus, (who was, and still is, I believe, married to Sarah
 Konhaus) has us all convene for a meeting, and declared in a
 very strong voice, "Maharishi was VERY embarrassed
 today"  He said that that a hotel owner in a
 different town called the hotel owner in the hotel we were
 staying in, for a recommendation, and asked what kind of
 guest we were.  Evidently the hotel owner said that the
 guests in this, (our hotel), "were like pigs".
  Oh, we got a big kick out of that.
 Good times. Good
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...>
 Thank you for
 sharing those stories - so what kind of experiences did you
 have on that 1st 6 month course? And did you get the sutra
 for understanding the language of animals? That's the
 one I always wanted.
  On Sat, 2/8/14, steve.sundur@...
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Saturday, February 8, 2014,
 Since I know you like this
 kind of thing, I'll relate a few stories from the time
 was on the first six month course along with Andy Rhymer,
 Rick Archer and others.  In fact, Andy was in my small
 group, along with some "108's".  It was
 our responsbility to correspond on Maharishi's behalf
 with some the other teacher's and 108's who were
 stationed around the world.  I remember getting
 from, I believe, Michael Brule, was teaching in Iran and
 getting harassed by the Shaw's secret service.  I
 believe it was called the Savak, (yes, just checked it, and
 that is correct).  In fact, I think he was even
 imprisoned for a time.  He was feeling pretty
 At any rate, I remember Andy
 describing his experience of doing Puja, and describing
 after wave of bliss.  I also remember him describing
 Maharishi some past life experiences, and saying each
 previous incarnation was displayed as a sort of statue
 during an experience he had.
 Probably the best moment was
 when Andy was talking directly to Maharishi, who was there
 in the room, as he often was, and telling Maharishi that
 most important part of enlightenment was devotion to the
 Master.  Maharishi said it was the most
 "natural", and Andy kept insisting that it was
 most "important". There was a sweet back and
 that when on for a while like that.  
 As to Andy being, or
 becoming an alleged pedophile, don't have an answer for
 that.  Edg is on record here saying that he'd
 remove the alleged part.
 If that is a
 disqualification for being enlightened, I really can't
 say.  I'm not familiar with all the ins and outs
 it. But it does seem that many who may have done some heavy
 lifting to get that point, (of enlightenment) will
 take a funny detour.
 As for Robin, yes I found
 him extraordinary in many ways. Whether he had classic NPS,
 I couldn't say, but it sure seemed that way to me much
 of the time.  But then again, it doesn't register
 with me much if a person is said to be enlightened or
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
 M said Robin
 Carlsen and Andy Rhymer were enlightened.
 On Fri, 2/7/14, steve.sundur@...
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Raam
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Friday, February 7, 2014, 10:26 PM
 for myself, I never felt I was guaranteed enlightenment.
  Yea, I know all about cc in 5 - 7 years, but I never
 put much stock in that,nor did I know others who did.
 Perhaps that was the extent
 of the misrepresentation, it you're looking for a
 "smoking gun", at least as far as the
 "gaining enlightenment" part.
 Otherwise, I think people
 got involved either for a vision of possibilities, or
 because because they were looking for
 and this seemed to offer some potential.
 But as for declaring such
 and such a person as "enlightened", that would
 appear to be pretty out of place in any tradition I'm
 familiar with. 
 Spiritual growth is a pretty
 personal matter, not something you're likely to crow
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
 --- In
 > Now, wait.  This sort of sounds like a set up.  I say
 this because you have always been a proponent of the
 "these (supposed) states of consciousness are all
 subjective and can't be proven".  So, why would
 such a declaration be important to you?
 wouldn't be the least bit important to me. But
 think it might be important to Maharishi (who sold this
 supposed state of consciousness for close to 50 years) to
 able to point to even one of his students who embodied it.
 After all, if he didn't, people might begin to think
 that the sales pitch was a pile of crap.

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