your problem is you don't pay attention to even what the Movement says - read
the Movement websites devoted to the ME - they don't say shit about the effects
of the Maharishi Effect beginning as violence - quite the opposite. By the
Movement's own standards and criteria for measuring the Maharishi Effect, the
events in the Ukraine can't be due to group yogic flying because of the
violence. Had the leader of the Ukraine quietly stepped down and the opposition
leader released with no prior violence then the Movement could have made some
claims - but by their own standards, no. If you and Nabby are so pitifully
eager to lay all seeming positive success at the door of the TMO so you can
share in the glow yourselves there is no help for you.
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On Sun, 2/23/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine?
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, February 23, 2014, 9:28 PM
Dear MJ, as you are so excitably flaming wild
assumptions and
assertions just to be negative here not a lot can be said in
response
because without at least a one percent Meissner-like
threshold your
assertions are uncontrolled field-effect. But the science
evidently
does show the activating principle of coherent systems, like
with
cultivated consciousness in the human physiology. The
particular
science on the Ukraine is out and the turmoil is not over
either. So
yes like on the great battlefields of life like in the
Bhagavad-Gita
the chaos of violence could come in to affect and happen in
the
absence of field coherence. Like you could simmer down
some in your
own life in taking more quiet time of effective transcending
meditation. The problem really is people like MJ here gave
up
helping with world consciousness and world coherence and
walked away.
All we are saying is let's give Peace a chance. The
science demonstrates that increasing collective coherence in
consciousness-based meditation is the most fundamental way
of doing
that. I'd like your support for a change.
"Don't find fault. Find a remedy." - Henry
Ford
“Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a
mystery, today is a gift of God [the Unified Field], which
is why we
call it the present.” -Bil Keane
“You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm
not the only one. I hope someday you'll join us. And the
world will
live as one.” -John Lennon and, -Buck in the
Dome
mjackson74 writes:
You notice
that neither Nabby nor Buck have answered my question - is
group TMSP responsible for the violence that LED to the
regime change? I can't believe either of them would
credit this event to the TMSP practice, given the very clear
description the TMO has always given of the Maharishi Effect
and how it works. They have NEVER said that it creates
violent change before positive results occur. It is rare
that I give the TMO credit for anything, but to their credit
at least they are not claiming credit for the Ukraine
events, at least not officially.
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On Sun, 2/23/14, TurquoiseBee
<turquoiseb@...>
wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine?
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, February 23, 2014, 4:35 PM
I am currently writing a story containing a
really cool character. He's...uh...like WAY heroic. I
insist on believing that me dreaming him up and bringing
him
into existence by writing about him caused all of the
recent
positive events in Ukraine and none of the negative ones.
How is my position that different than the one
being taken by TB TMers here today?
From:
"anartaxius@..."
<anartaxius@...>
To:
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday,
February 23, 2014 5:15 PM
Subject: Re:
[FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine?
If we want to talk about cause and effect, why
not just go back to the Big Bang. Then we
have 13.79±0.037 billion years of cause and
effect, meditated by the statistical indeterminacy of
quantum mechanics, this latter creating a divergence from
strict determinism. Your toothbrush and Ukraine are then on
the same time line as is everything else. If you want to
talk about the effect of consciousness, that only makes
sense if you are in a state of experience (delusion) where
you believe consciousness does things, that is, it is
thought of as a separate element or force in relation to
things. On the other hand, of you think of consciousness as
Being, then it is things and their relationships, kind of
like mass and energy are identical in general relativity,
and that matter of cause and effect is meaningless because
everything is a part of the relationship. So your
toothbrush, the fact of meditating, or not meditating, the
flow of time, and even fictional characters in
books all have a relationship to the changes in
Ukraine. The statistical indeterminacy of
quantum mechanics means that from our perspective, some
events do not result from preceding events, and this is how
the universe creates, using a random throw of the dice, so
it may be too, that Ukraine in its current state is the
result not of a cause even if we think of the universe from
the viewpoint of cause and effect.
I am happy for them if they
can get a stable government together and solve their
bankruptcy problems. I use software from Ukraine, so I have
an interest in their continued
existence.
