No, no, none of this is right. I was pointing out two things: 1) Buck's comment that the lecture would have been appropriate for the general meditating community, as such was not geared to those who only have special knowledge. Not my comment, Buck's comment. Read my first key point. "But all that said nothing he said really could not have been delivered in a public lecture and it would have been insightful about Maharishi to anyone listening and informative at any level."
2) I was making a second point that Buck's thought on why Bevan was a tragic figure (i,e, ridden the movement down.....) speaks also, to the tragedy of overseeing and creating an "elitist" and "exclusionary" spiritual organization, as demonstrated sadly by the great need to "check twice" to make sure that only badged meditators attend this great session of knowledge that Buck saw as insightful to all at any level. As an aside, to level the playing field and drum up a little extra cash, I suggested that perhaps they just open up the lecture for sale to all and when the venue was full, the venue was full. The fact that the lecture was free to a select group had no bearing on either of these points, except to further the idea of this as an "exclusionary" event, which it was and perhaps as you say it was warranted. Buck just didn't apparently think so. That's all I was saying. ---In [email protected], <[email protected]> wrote : Share's reply to you makes perfect sense. You had made a statement implying that all the TM movement wants is money. Share made a succinct comment, pointing out that the meeting was free, which gives the lie to your idea. The point of the badge check is to ensure that everyone there has learned the TM sidhis. If they haven't learned them, they wouldn't know what the lecture was all about and might get some erroneous ideas, which might make it less easy for them to get it right when and if they decide to learn. It's very simple. Since you are not in the movement and never have been, you don't really have a clue what you are talking about. In contrast, Share is, and does. ---In [email protected], <emilymaenot@...> wrote : Share, you always end up acting mentally challenged when you engage with me. It is a very effective way to be for you. I am always impressed at your ability to actively and consistently redirect any conversation we might have to a state of complete meaninglessness within a comment or two; I find it masterful in its own way. ---In [email protected], <sharelong60@...> wrote : Emily, the lecture was free. On Monday, March 10, 2014 1:35 PM, "emilymaenot@..." <emilymaenot@...> wrote: These are the key points to me: "But all that said nothing he said really could not have been delivered in a public lecture and it would have been insightful about Maharishi to anyone listening and informative at any level." "Tragic yes, he is a (the) guy who has ridden the whole movement down...." The elitist and exclusionary nature of this "spiritual" organization is just odd to me, an outsider. What on earth would have happened if non-badge people attended? So what? Why not just sell tickets to everyone and when the lecture is sold out, so be it. They want money, right? Share, you act like you are in some way special; I guess you've probably paid for the right to be special. You might lose this specialness if you move. ---In [email protected], <sharelong60@...> wrote : Well, Buck, I was sitting by the entry door and there was only one guy checking badges as people entered and as the lecture began, late arrivals were swarming in. I'm not surprised that Bevan wanted a second badge check. It kind of reminded me of the old sidhi meetings when we checked each other's badges. Nice touch of nostalgia. On Monday, March 10, 2014 12:53 PM, "dhamiltony2k5@..." <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote: He gave a really good presentation showing his own and MMY's handwritten 1979 notes. It had a real nice flow. By going over his own written notes and then the hand-written and colorful notes of Maharishi's hand he got to do it twice, very teacherly. It was really a nice lecture. It would have been nice to have had that lecture a while ago. A nice thing is that he gave it at all now. If and when he dies the material like that will go with him and be lost to time. But all that said nothing he said really could not have been delivered in a public lecture and it would have been insightful about Maharishi to anyone listening and informative at any level. Of course if he was to meet any larger group gathered it would have had to be in the Sondheim Auditorium, in town. The badge check though after everyone who had come in already had been checked by security as they entered in was certainly over the top putting you back in to kindergarten. He obviously did not get Raja Hagelin's recent policy memo on the Fairfield, Vedic City, Jefferson County meditating community or he was set anyway to do it his way. Tragic yes, he is a (the) guy who has ridden the whole movement down from times of millions of meditators and tens of thousands teachers and some large number of a hundred thousand or more advanced practitioners, down to some few tens of hundreds active duty. And he wonders why meditators have turned so badly and we just don't see. It is do or die time now for a teaching and the guys in the middle of it are working hard on themselves to have it live. In this moment he was quite contained and composed jockeying the moment. It was really well done. Different people evidently bring different elements to it in committee at that level now. Take a look at Shakespeare' s Roman General, Coriolanus and that drama to see a swirl of elements governing TM put together now after Maharishi. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriolanus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriolanus Netflix has for download now a modern production as a movie. It is really good criticism for the elements around TM now. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjRiylgwgIE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjRiylgwgIE If he'd just speak nicely to the people... 'damned democracy'. .., -Buck sharelong60 writes: Judy, I am content that Buck speak for himself. authfriend So tell us what you believe Buck meant by his comment. Judy, I'm sure Buck has many insights and opinions that I don't have. And I have read his posts here so I have a pretty good idea of what he meant by his comment. Based on my own experience, I have different insights and opinions. Think maybe it would be a good idea to ask Buck what he meant by "kind of a tragic figure" before announcing that you don't agree? Is it conceivable that he might have an insight that you've missed? I don't agree with Buck on that level either, Ann. I found Bevan to be even more natural and articulate and considerate than he was a few months ago at another knowledge meeting. Again, imho, he is very integrated and has a generosity of spirit that to me does not indicate a tragic figure at all. Buck, given that Bevan went into some detail about the mechanics of the TMSP, I thought it good that only sidhas were in the meeting and badges were checked. Good because if meditators do become sidhas, they can then more easily do the practice with simplicity. And the fact that it was Standing Room Only on such a beautiful Sunday afternoon, indicates to me that such meetings with Bevan are very much enjoyed by a lot of people. No tragedy in that imho! Buck said Bevan was a "tragic figure". This speaks to something beyond a meeting with him, it speaks to something deeper and more personal, Share. Well, he is kind of a tragic figure but it was a nice meeting. Wish you could have been there. I think you would have felt better about all the things that upset you. And there was really nothing said that could not have included regular meditators in the meeting. The specialness of the 'badge checking' and all that was over the top specialness. But otherwise it was a nice meeting that had some real nice insights in to Maharishi and Maharishi's teaching. You should have been there, -Buck mjackson74 writes: I wish I was gonna be there - I'd ask him a question or two, but I imagine the mic would be turned off like they did that Indian guy in the David Wants to Fly film. Dr. Bevan Morris, President of Maharishi University of Management is meeting with the meditating community today. Today, on Maharishi University of Management campus.Dalby Hall,1:30 pmBring a valid Dome badge to get in.Be there or be square,-Buck .
