Given the fact that the TMO is an organization that lives off lies, gets
everyone else to fund them so the leadership doesn't actually have to have real
jobs - in other words they are living parasitically off the rank and file
TM'ers - the fact that they live off of and perpetuate many blatant lies such
as don't expose yourself to full solar eclipse cuz the demons and bad karma
will get you, if you live in a non-Marshy Vastu home, you will have all kinds
of problems and the fact that much of their inner level marketing (meaning
their marketing to True Believers on the inner levels of the Movement) is done
through fear mongering (telling you all the bad stuff that is gone happen if
you don't do as they say, live as they tell you to live and give them the money
they are begging for) then yes I would have to say it has become 100%
unpleasant and if you want to call it that, bad.
What does the TMO actually DO for anyone except get you to accept bizarre
beliefs and live a bizarre lifestyle and give them your money? What do they
actually DO for people? ANYONE who has ever worked for the Movement can attest
to these things - the TMO always gets paid, they never pay out. They routinely
lie and manipulate people. If you are giving of your time, effort energy money
to them, they love you, as long as you jump through their hoops, but when you
can't, even through illness give to them any longer, they cut you loose and
turn their backs on you. They focus ONLY on those who keep them up and give
what they want. That alone is enough to show what kind of people run the damn
organization and the fact that TM ain't no panacea.
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On Tue, 4/1/14, Share Long <sharelon...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 2:27 AM
Michael,
when you make such extreme statements like the one about
finding virtue in the TMO "where none exists,"
then you lose me and, I would guess, anyone who was
beginning to believe you. Are you really saying that the TMO
is 100% without virtue?! Which implies that it's 100%
bad. Is this what you are saying?!
On Monday, March 31,
2014 9:18 PM, "steve.sun...@yahoo.com"
<steve.sun...@yahoo.com> wrote:
You know
Michael, for someone who denigrates any scientific research
performed by the TMO, you sure have a way of trying to make
a case on a weak set of data. Well, let's be honest.
No data.
I mean, on the one hand, you
state that most people who start, stop soon afterward, and
yet you say that the practice of TM can often be responsible
for people committing suicide. Do I have that
right?
Are you saying the long term
mediators are far more likely to commit suicide and have
emotional problems due to their practice of TM, and
participation in the TMO?
I wonder how you'd go about backing that
up?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
<mjackson74@...> wrote :
tell
that to all the long term meditators who have tried to
commit suicide - tell that to the family members of those
long term TM'ers who did commit suicide, tell that to
the people whose lives have been ruined by their adherence
to TM and messing around with the TMO - people who are
mental/emotional basket cases from years of TM. They do
exist. They are out there and I am willing to bet you know
some of them. It is true that TM doesn't hurt some
people, but to say that it is good for most is a flat out
lie.
The numbers have always been jimmied by the TMO and True
Believers. Most people who are initiated stop doing TM soon
after.
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On Tue, 4/1/14, Share Long <sharelong60@...>
wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 1:24 AM
Steve, I
really appreciate how common sensical (is that a valid
phrase?) you are in what you say here. Especially the bit
about why the TMO changed its approach. And of course,
the
directly relevant part about twenty minutes meditating
being
good for most people.
On Monday, March 31,
2014 7:08 PM, "steve.sundur@..."
<steve.sundur@...>
wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
<steve.sundur@...> wrote :
Oh that's good Michael.
At least a new name from the one I am usually
called.
Or actually, you are comparing me to something,
rather than
declaring I am such and such.
At any rate, regarding this new approach, so what
if they are - distancing themselves from the Hindu roots?
Maybe they feel that has been off-putting for many
people,
and better to downplay it.
But as has been pointed out, that is nothing
different than has been done from the beginning.
Maharishi started with a spiritual approach, and
then
shifted to a more scientific approach, because it would
appeal to more people.
You want to get people though the door. You
want to get them to the introductory lecture. You
want
to outline the benefits.
I happen to be able to observe some this new
approach up close, and it seems to be having some
results.
That and a lower fee for learning.
You are more comfortable making blanket (mostly
all negative) statements about the TMO and Maharishi. But
like many endeavors, you can choose to participate
to
whatever degree you like. Meditating for twenty
minutes twice a day, would, I think, be a healthy
activity
for most people.
---In
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
<mjackson74@...> wrote
:
Come
on Steve, be real - you know damn good and well they are
distancing themselves from the Hindu roots and from
Maharishi himself - if you can't see how disingenuous
that is then you are a truly sheared TM sheep.
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On Mon, 3/31/14,
steve.sundur@...
<steve.sundur@...>
wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, March 31, 2014, 2:55 PM
You''ve always got it figured out Michael.
Doesn't matter how many twists and turns you
have
to make, the conclusion is always the same. So what
if
the TMO has adjusted their message, or their pitch?
That's what organizations do. Maybe the
problem you're having is that they seem to be having
some success. Let's face it, that's wall
galls
you. And really, I don't think you're
ashamed
to admit it.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
<mjackson74@...>
wrote :
You are both
full of it - the TMO is attempting to tap into a new tier
of
customers and they are doing it in part to distance
themselves from the Old Goat because they know he has
become
a liability. I know what you are saying, as to M's
references to the Self, but they have never done an ad
campaign like this - everything they do is a calculated
move
to gain adherents, money and like the idiots they are,
create a "vedic" society.
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On Mon, 3/31/14, steve.sundur@...
<steve.sundur@...>
wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, March 31, 2014, 12:19 PM
Now that was
a "good catch" Judy.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
<authfriend@...>
wrote :
Er, Michael,
more likely the New Age got "It's all the
Self" from TM. The Self has always been a TM thing.
It's what you're said to experience when you
transcend, remember? Boy, you are really out in
left field here.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
<mjackson74@...>
wrote :
Oh
my God! Its happening - pulling away from its Hindu and
then
"it's all science" roots and tapping into
the
vague New Age ""it's all the Self"
hoodoo! These TM'ers are SHAMELESS in selling the
nostrums.
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On Mon, 3/31/14,
nablusoss1008 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:
Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, March 31, 2014, 9:18 AM
http://www.experiencetheself.org/
