Michael, when you make such extreme statements like the one about finding virtue in the TMO "where none exists," then you lose me and, I would guess, anyone who was beginning to believe you. Are you really saying that the TMO is 100% without virtue?! Which implies that it's 100% bad. Is this what you are saying?!
On Monday, March 31, 2014 9:18 PM, "steve.sun...@yahoo.com" <steve.sun...@yahoo.com> wrote: You know Michael, for someone who denigrates any scientific research performed by the TMO, you sure have a way of trying to make a case on a weak set of data. Well, let's be honest. No data. I mean, on the one hand, you state that most people who start, stop soon afterward, and yet you say that the practice of TM can often be responsible for people committing suicide. Do I have that right? Are you saying the long term mediators are far more likely to commit suicide and have emotional problems due to their practice of TM, and participation in the TMO? I wonder how you'd go about backing that up? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote : tell that to all the long term meditators who have tried to commit suicide - tell that to the family members of those long term TM'ers who did commit suicide, tell that to the people whose lives have been ruined by their adherence to TM and messing around with the TMO - people who are mental/emotional basket cases from years of TM. They do exist. They are out there and I am willing to bet you know some of them. It is true that TM doesn't hurt some people, but to say that it is good for most is a flat out lie. The numbers have always been jimmied by the TMO and True Believers. Most people who are initiated stop doing TM soon after. -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 4/1/14, Share Long <sharelong60@...> wrote: > >Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield >To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> >Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 1:24 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Steve, I >really appreciate how common sensical (is that a valid >phrase?) you are in what you say here. Especially the bit >about why the TMO changed its approach. And of course, the >directly relevant part about twenty minutes meditating being >good for most people. > >On Monday, March 31, >2014 7:08 PM, "steve.sundur@..." ><steve.sundur@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ><steve.sundur@...> wrote : > >Oh that's good Michael. > At least a new name from the one I am usually called. > Or actually, you are comparing me to something, >rather than >declaring I am such and such. >At any rate, regarding this new approach, so what >if they are - distancing themselves from the Hindu roots? >Maybe they feel that has been off-putting for many people, >and better to downplay it. >But as has been pointed out, that is nothing >different than has been done from the beginning. > Maharishi started with a spiritual approach, and then >shifted to a more scientific approach, because it would >appeal to more people. >You want to get people though the door. You >want to get them to the introductory lecture. You want >to outline the benefits. >I happen to be able to observe some this new >approach up close, and it seems to be having some results. >That and a lower fee for learning. >You are more comfortable making blanket (mostly >all negative) statements about the TMO and Maharishi. But > like many endeavors, you can choose to participate to >whatever degree you like. Meditating for twenty >minutes twice a day, would, I think, be a healthy activity >for most people. > >---In >FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote >: > >Come >on Steve, be real - you know damn good and well they are >distancing themselves from the Hindu roots and from >Maharishi himself - if you can't see how disingenuous >that is then you are a truly sheared TM sheep. > >-------------------------------------------- >On Mon, 3/31/14, >steve.sundur@... ><steve.sundur@...> >wrote: > > > >Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield > >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > >Date: Monday, March 31, 2014, 2:55 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >You''ve always got it figured out Michael. > > Doesn't matter how many twists and turns you >have > >to make, the conclusion is always the same. So what >if > >the TMO has adjusted their message, or their pitch? > > That's what organizations do. Maybe the > >problem you're having is that they seem to be having > >some success. Let's face it, that's wall >galls > >you. And really, I don't think you're >ashamed > >to admit it. > > > > > >---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ><mjackson74@...> > >wrote : > > > >You are both > >full of it - the TMO is attempting to tap into a new tier >of > >customers and they are doing it in part to distance > >themselves from the Old Goat because they know he has >become > >a liability. I know what you are saying, as to M's > >references to the Self, but they have never done an ad > >campaign like this - everything they do is a calculated >move > >to gain adherents, money and like the idiots they are, > >create a "vedic" society. > > > >-------------------------------------------- > >On Mon, 3/31/14, steve.sundur@... > ><steve.sundur@...> > >wrote: > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield > > > >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > >Date: Monday, March 31, 2014, 12:19 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Now that was > > > >a "good catch" Judy. > > > > > > > > > > > >---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > ><authfriend@...> > > > >wrote : > > > > > > > >Er, Michael, > > > >more likely the New Age got "It's all the > > > >Self" from TM. The Self has always been a TM thing. > > > >It's what you're said to experience when you > > > >transcend, remember? Boy, you are really out in > > > >left field here. > > > > > > > >---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > ><mjackson74@...> > > > >wrote : > > > > > > > >Oh > > > >my God! Its happening - pulling away from its Hindu and > >then > > > >"it's all science" roots and tapping into >the > > > >vague New Age ""it's all the Self" > > > >hoodoo! These TM'ers are SHAMELESS in selling the > > > >nostrums. > > > > > > > >-------------------------------------------- > > > >On Mon, 3/31/14, > > > >nablusoss1008 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield > > > > > > > >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > >Date: Monday, March 31, 2014, 9:18 AM > > > > > > > > > > > >http://www.experiencetheself.org/
