Michael, imo, nothing and no one in this world is either 100% bad or 100% good. So on that level I disagree with you. Moreover, I think TM and TMSP continue to relieve suffering and help many people develop fully as human beings. And I don't think that development and full development are going to look the same way for every person. To expect that is, I think, to again engage in black and white thinking.
On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 8:25 AM, Michael Jackson <mjackso...@yahoo.com> wrote: Given the fact that the TMO is an organization that lives off lies, gets everyone else to fund them so the leadership doesn't actually have to have real jobs - in other words they are living parasitically off the rank and file TM'ers - the fact that they live off of and perpetuate many blatant lies such as don't expose yourself to full solar eclipse cuz the demons and bad karma will get you, if you live in a non-Marshy Vastu home, you will have all kinds of problems and the fact that much of their inner level marketing (meaning their marketing to True Believers on the inner levels of the Movement) is done through fear mongering (telling you all the bad stuff that is gone happen if you don't do as they say, live as they tell you to live and give them the money they are begging for) then yes I would have to say it has become 100% unpleasant and if you want to call it that, bad. What does the TMO actually DO for anyone except get you to accept bizarre beliefs and live a bizarre lifestyle and give them your money? What do they actually DO for people? ANYONE who has ever worked for the Movement can attest to these things - the TMO always gets paid, they never pay out. They routinely lie and manipulate people. If you are giving of your time, effort energy money to them, they love you, as long as you jump through their hoops, but when you can't, even through illness give to them any longer, they cut you loose and turn their backs on you. They focus ONLY on those who keep them up and give what they want. That alone is enough to show what kind of people run the damn organization and the fact that TM ain't no panacea. -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 4/1/14, Share Long <sharelon...@yahoo.com> wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 2:27 AM Michael, when you make such extreme statements like the one about finding virtue in the TMO "where none exists," then you lose me and, I would guess, anyone who was beginning to believe you. Are you really saying that the TMO is 100% without virtue?! Which implies that it's 100% bad. Is this what you are saying?! On Monday, March 31, 2014 9:18 PM, "steve.sun...@yahoo.com" <steve.sun...@yahoo.com> wrote: You know Michael, for someone who denigrates any scientific research performed by the TMO, you sure have a way of trying to make a case on a weak set of data. Well, let's be honest. No data. I mean, on the one hand, you state that most people who start, stop soon afterward, and yet you say that the practice of TM can often be responsible for people committing suicide. Do I have that right? Are you saying the long term mediators are far more likely to commit suicide and have emotional problems due to their practice of TM, and participation in the TMO? I wonder how you'd go about backing that up? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote : tell that to all the long term meditators who have tried to commit suicide - tell that to the family members of those long term TM'ers who did commit suicide, tell that to the people whose lives have been ruined by their adherence to TM and messing around with the TMO - people who are mental/emotional basket cases from years of TM. They do exist. They are out there and I am willing to bet you know some of them. It is true that TM doesn't hurt some people, but to say that it is good for most is a flat out lie. The numbers have always been jimmied by the TMO and True Believers. Most people who are initiated stop doing TM soon after. -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 4/1/14, Share Long <sharelong60@...> wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, April 1, 2014, 1:24 AM Steve, I really appreciate how common sensical (is that a valid phrase?) you are in what you say here. Especially the bit about why the TMO changed its approach. And of course, the directly relevant part about twenty minutes meditating being good for most people. On Monday, March 31, 2014 7:08 PM, "steve.sundur@..." <steve.sundur@...> wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote : Oh that's good Michael. At least a new name from the one I am usually called. Or actually, you are comparing me to something, rather than declaring I am such and such. At any rate, regarding this new approach, so what if they are - distancing themselves from the Hindu roots? Maybe they feel that has been off-putting for many people, and better to downplay it. But as has been pointed out, that is nothing different than has been done from the beginning. Maharishi started with a spiritual approach, and then shifted to a more scientific approach, because it would appeal to more people. You want to get people though the door. You want to get them to the introductory lecture. You want to outline the benefits. I happen to be able to observe some this new approach up close, and it seems to be having some results. That and a lower fee for learning. You are more comfortable making blanket (mostly all negative) statements about the TMO and Maharishi. But like many endeavors, you can choose to participate to whatever degree you like. Meditating for twenty minutes twice a day, would, I think, be a healthy activity for most people. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote : Come on Steve, be real - you know damn good and well they are distancing themselves from the Hindu roots and from Maharishi himself - if you can't see how disingenuous that is then you are a truly sheared TM sheep. -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 3/31/14, steve.sundur@... <steve.sundur@...> wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 31, 2014, 2:55 PM You''ve always got it figured out Michael. Doesn't matter how many twists and turns you have to make, the conclusion is always the same. So what if the TMO has adjusted their message, or their pitch? That's what organizations do. Maybe the problem you're having is that they seem to be having some success. Let's face it, that's wall galls you. And really, I don't think you're ashamed to admit it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote : You are both full of it - the TMO is attempting to tap into a new tier of customers and they are doing it in part to distance themselves from the Old Goat because they know he has become a liability. I know what you are saying, as to M's references to the Self, but they have never done an ad campaign like this - everything they do is a calculated move to gain adherents, money and like the idiots they are, create a "vedic" society. -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 3/31/14, steve.sundur@... <steve.sundur@...> wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 31, 2014, 12:19 PM Now that was a "good catch" Judy. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <authfriend@...> wrote : Er, Michael, more likely the New Age got "It's all the Self" from TM. The Self has always been a TM thing. It's what you're said to experience when you transcend, remember? Boy, you are really out in left field here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote : Oh my God! Its happening - pulling away from its Hindu and then "it's all science" roots and tapping into the vague New Age ""it's all the Self" hoodoo! These TM'ers are SHAMELESS in selling the nostrums. -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 3/31/14, nablusoss1008 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Self Course Fairfield To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 31, 2014, 9:18 AM http://www.experiencetheself.org/
