"If scientists found as you hope, wuldn't that imply that everyone who
ever learned TM was not just wasting their time, but was putting themselves at
risk?"
I already know that, but it would be nice to have science confirm it. Yee haaa!
As to my hopes they are based in personal experience and reality, not vacuous
meanderings of the emotions where one hopes to wake up tomorrow in a sthapatya
veda version of a Norman Rockwell painting.
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On Wed, 4/9/14, lengli...@cox.net <lengli...@cox.net> wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons?
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 9, 2014, 12:20 A
You hope all of the
below, eh?
If scientists
found as you hope, wuldn't that imply that everyone who
ever learned TM was not just wasting their time, but was
putting themselves at risk?
Wouldn't
a healthier hope be that scientists objectively examine
TM's effects in independently done studies, and
determine which, if any claims were correct, and which were
actually counter to reality, whatever that turns out to
mean?
An even nicer
hope would be that scientists would independently evaluate
TM and find that most of the research is valid.
An even nicer
hope would be to find that TM research is mostly valid AND
that TM is at least somewhat unique in positive
ways.
The hope to
find that TM and other practices have the same effect
isn't as nice as you might think at first glance simply
because there is so much research being published right now
on mindfulness that shows that it has small-to-moderate
effects on health and wellbeing and virtually no studies
that show extremely large positive effects, unlike the
recent TM and PTSD in war refugees studies, so if TM and
mindfulness have the same effect, then that means that TM
really has a small-to-moderate positive effect on PTSD in
war refugees, rather than the overwhelmingly huge positive
effect that the two latest studies suggest.
I would far
rather that TM be uniquely positive in its effects, and
difficult-to-teach, compared to mindfulness being easy to
teach and having tiny positive effects. We can always train
more TM teachers afterall.
L
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...>
wrote :
Oh I know it
happens but and I admit my experience doesn't cover ALL
people in the world, but when I was at MIU the faculty
members I encountered seemed to be a bit more of the True
Believers than most of the staff and students, of course
that could be because they were required as part of their
jobs to really put forth the TM party line on any question
or situation that arose.
I just hope that one day some enterprising individual will
hire a group to analyze the entire "scientific"
body of research on TM and TMSP, prove scientifically and
statistically that it is NOT scientifically valid, that the
appropriate authorities will look into the pundit program,
see that MUM/GCWP is in violation of federal statues, shut
down the pundit cash cow program, heavily fine the Movement,
find the accreditation of MUM is undeserved and revoke it,
Girish will then sell the place and all this after Hagelin
and Moriss have had to own up to their womanizing in court,
MUM will fire both of them, they will then turn on the
Movement and tell all the dirty secrets to save their necks
which will be the testimony that leads to the revoking of
the accreditation.
Also, a serious study will be undertaken to see how many
TM'ers develop mental problems after long use of TM, the
number of suicides and attempted suicides will be studied,
and after all this is published, the TMO will be unable to
claim any scientific validity to anything it does and is
reduced to saying "We think you should do it cause we
need your money and we think its a good thing to do."
Happy Tuesday!
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On Tue, 4/8/14, steve.sundur@...
<steve.sundur@...>
wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Unstressing or Demons?
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, April 8, 2014, 12:50 PM
Well, I would
say you may still be a little wet behind the ears. I
think many have taken this route.
A
friend of mine who was an active teacher back in the day,
and lived in FF for a spell, is now priest in an
archdiocese
in Iowa somewhere, IIRC, and he tells a similar store as
Kai
Druhl, and his objections run along the same
lines.
I
think you have a tendency to take at face value every claim
MMY or the TMO has made, and then when they don't pan
out you start pounding. I think others were able to
figure in a discount for the "vision of
possibilities" and go from
there.
Yes,
some of things that have come to light in the intervening
years have caused me some cognitive dissonance, and forced
me to look at things differently, but I know what I have
taken away from the experience overall, and that has
allowed
me to overcome some of the dysfunctional parts of it
all.
