The bottom line is that capitalism is to chaotic to exist in a world
population of 7 billion plus. The party is over.
On 05/01/2014 05:25 AM, [email protected] wrote:
It's important to draw a line of distinction between
"creation of wealth" and "accumulation of wealth".
If the income is not spent, but put in banks or government
bonds, no tax should be levied on it. Banks can lend that
money to government who can use the money for infrastructure
development.
Only if the income is spent on something, taxes should be
levied on it. It should be "progressive consumption tax"
and not "progressive income tax".
You must punish 'spending of wealth'.
You must reward 'creation of wealth'.
You must also give incentives for people to put their money
in banks, IOW save money.
> --- Bhairitu <noozguru@...> wrote :
The original intent of the founding fathers was a mix of
capitalism and socialism. There are just some things that
need to be in the commons and the Internet is now a new one
that belongs there. It is the role of government to
maintain the commons and leaving it open for everyone. It
is the role of the people to keep government reigned in and
out of the clutches of special interests. We also don't
need "landed gentry" which the founding fathers were
against. Look at these pompous ass "capitalists" like
Donald Sterling, Tom Perkins and the Koch brothers. Use
progressive taxes to discourage absurd accumulation of
wealth.
When Tito ran Yugoslavia the citizens got a month vacation
and free health care. It was a prosperous society and a mix
of socialism and free enterprise. As soon as Tito died the
globalists stepped in led by the US to destroy the country.
When I visited India the most prosperous state was Kerala
which has a mix of socialism and free enterprise.
> > On 04/30/2014 04:41 AM, jedi_spock@... <mailto:jedi_spock@...>
wrote:
Agreed that greed kills. Sustainable development can be
done if taxes are based on 'consumption of resources' and
not income. Salaries and wages paid to employees should not
be treated as consumption, but as general expenses (created
wealth).
The salaries and wage differentials across hierarchy in
corporations can be flattened and narrowed down by strict
regulations. What's stopping them from doing that?
It's not enough, if you just give state-funding to political
parties. The system should be transparent. Any system that
is opaque becomes a ground for corruption. Darkness covers
a multitude of sins. Shine the light and the system will
cleanse itself.
> > > --- Bhairitu <noozguru@...> <mailto:noozguru@...> wrote :
> > > You're confusing capitalism with free enterprise.
Capitalism itself generates entropy and chaos. Just look at what
it has done to this country now. You really want to live in a
country of poor people? Some correction needs to be done to reign
in the oligarchs and plutocrats. Greed kills.
> > > > On 04/29/2014 06:02 AM, jedi_spock@...
<mailto:jedi_spock@...> wrote:
Capitalism is the only system that can incentivize and
motivate people. Again, only capitalism drives innovation
and creativity, enables people to adapt to the everchanging
conditions. It also generates wealth.
By failing to emphasize incentives, socialism is a theory
inconsistent with human nature and is therefore doomed to
fail. Socialism is based on the theory that incentives don't
matter!
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of
ignorance, and gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the
equal sharing of misery"...~ Winston Churchill
Nature is balanced between 'meritocracy and egalitarianism.'
Nature is balanced between the 'individual and collective.'
Nature is balanced between 'competition and cooperation.'
Nature is balanced between 'chaos and order.'
Nature is balanced between 'determinism and randomness.'
It's important to understand the paradoxes in nature.
Cooperation is the other side of Competition. Both are two
sides of the same Darwinian coin. Single cell organisms
cooperated to evolve into multi-cellular organisms.
On contrary to popular thinking, microbes are extremely
social creatures. The constantly communicate with each
other with chemical signals. Completely unrelated bacteria
come together and work together on variety of things, like
decomposing organic matter, breaking down food in human gut,
etc etc.
Lateral gene tranfer is common among microbes. Completely
unrelated bacteria exchange genetic material to make
themselves more resilent to harsh environments.
> > > > > --- Sparaig <LEnglish5@...> <mailto:LEnglish5@...>
wrote :
> > > > >The problem with Bernie Sanders (and I respect him
highly) is that he is a "Socialist" in both name and attitude.
If you want the Right Wing to come out in droves in the next
election, put a self-described Socialist (note capital-S) on
the Democratic ticket.
> > > > >
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9804E2DB1030F932A15752C0A9619C8B63&pagewanted=all
> > > > > L
> > > > > > --- Bhairitu <noozguru@...> <mailto:noozguru@...>
wrote :
> > > > > > Biden and Clinton are establishment candidates.
Nothing will change if elected. There is a move to get Sanders
to change from Independent to Democrat since he has said he is
willing to run. Of course if he did get as far as the WH the
first day there would be a "come to Jesus" session with him.
I'm very cynical about this country because it has run it's
course with capitalism which has been exploited to the point
absurdity. We now live in a plutocracy.
> > > > > > Do Presidents make any difference? They're mainly
just car salesmen for the same corporate elite. How about a
Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren ticket? That might
actually sell well to the millennials who you have to consider.
