On Oct 30, 2005, at 3:53 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: > --- In [email protected], Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> --- Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >>> How do you reconcile the fact, which was mentioned >>> on here in some >>> detail, that M. sleeps a full eight hours or more >>> and the fact that >>> enlightened beings require little sleep? There are >>> numerous other >>> items which would bring into question M.'s >>> "enlightenment". >>> >>> So the story goes. >>> >> >> MMY is fully enlightened, no doubt about it, 100% >> true. Nothing in the relative indicates anything >> regarding enlightenment. All mind games and ego >> positions. Vaj, have you ever interacted with MMY >> personally? >> > > I'm not sure what your point is, Doc. I've > interacted with Maharishi many times, and > based on those interactions I would never > be tempted to assume that he is enlightened.
But if you did *assume* or by leap-of-faith *believe* he was enlightened you could possibly mistake a meditative experience for a validation of the previously *assumed* state...there's the rub... I would bet before Dr. Pete experienced M. as "enlightened", he had already accepted that fact. Above and beyond that he had been conditioned--both verbally and subliminally--that M. was some species of exalted person. If this is *not* true, I seriously doubt he (and others) would have continued to invest both time and large sums of money. Acceptance of any mental framework or sequence of objects in consciousness will only self-validate themselves when at anytime afterwards one experiences them from the level of the void (or "pure consciousness"). Thus previously accepted ideas can and will present themselves as (seemingly) genuine experiences (and "validation"). They are a form of validation--but only of the thoughts we have accepted at some level of our being. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
