--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Oct 30, 2005, at 3:48 PM, Peter wrote: > > > > > > > --- Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > >> > >> How do you reconcile the fact, which was mentioned > >> on here in some > >> detail, that M. sleeps a full eight hours or more > >> and the fact that > >> enlightened beings require little sleep? There are > >> numerous other > >> items which would bring into question M.'s > >> "enlightenment". > >> > >> So the story goes. > >> > > > > MMY is fully enlightened, no doubt about it, 100% > > true. Nothing in the relative indicates anything > > regarding enlightenment. All mind games and ego > > positions. Vaj, have you ever interacted with MMY > > personally? > > > > > > While different people will vary somewhat, there are some relative > determinants. Sleep is definitely one of them.
MMY has never said anything, as far as Iknow, about quantity of sleep being a determinant of enlightenment. In fact, he goes with the BG on external indicators with the caveat that he thinks that physiological measures not available save in the past 50 years or so can give insight into states of consciousness, including enlightenment. I believe Judy could > probably list the 20 or so determinants from the TMO and what they > are, as she has mentioned them before. Judy? > > If nothing in the relative indicated *anything* about enlightenment, > then the TMO would not've bothered with all this research on the > "neurophysiology of enlightenment", etc. I'd even go so far as to say > the TMO model of enlightenment contains some elements of truth but is > incomplete and extremely misleading. It has been created to help > market the techniques they sell. Therefore, due to it's > incompleteness, it leads people to prematurely imagine their own > exalted status. > I'd go so far as to say that the TMO presentation of what enlightenment is or is not is far superior to your own. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
