On 08/06/2014 09:25 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <noozguru@...> wrote :
But that wasn't my point with SallyAnn (which is what Thunderbird
wants to rename him). It was to point out that he lacks the proper
credentials or scientific depth to discuss the issue properly. He
doesn't appear to know even basic astronomy.
LOL. You've ignored most of what I've said anyway, but do you really
think there is an issue to discuss? Read it all again, all I want to
say is that your horoscope looks a bit silly if you put everything
where it's supposed to be instead of where the software thinks it is.
Obviously you don't think about it like that, the picture the ancients
had was sweet but so inaccurate that they'd fall over backwards if
they saw what reality was really like. How can it be taken seriously
if you aren't taking in the extra distances due to orbits going behind
the sun for instance? The only force known to be infinite in extent is
gravity and it can't be that, it couldn't be that even if the Earth
was the centre of the universe. It's all rubbish. It's so obvious to
me it hurts. What other credentials do I need dear Bhairitu?
The only thing we seem to be left with is some other force that ties
us in with the movements of planets against an arbitrary background
but is rubbish at making predictions even though it's all supposed to
be running like clockwork. Would I believe it if I was born two hours
later?
What I think we have here is a division between though who fear the
idea that our lives are predestined and those who celebrate it. If
astrology seems to give some clue about destiny fine. Science may also
discover the patterns which rule our lives and indeed there are
scientists trying to do so. Unfortunately there are a lot of people
who hide behind the shield of science who know little about science.
Science has dismissed astrology many times. These patterns that rule
our lives should make it easy to make testable predictions but they
don't seem to work. Far from hiding behind a shield I'm actually
thinking of ways to show it does work, by having a chart done for
instance and then thinking about it. Trouble is, one of the main
predictions was wrong. So how can any of the others be right if they
don't take into account the effect that a life changing event would
have had. Be being extra vague? That doesn't sound like my life is
being ruled by patterns that science has yet to understand.
Do you get it yet?
I get that you can't rationally discuss the subject. Your replies are
emotionally biased and loaded with ignorance both of astrology and
science. And BTW there are practitioners of heliocentric astrology.
Maybe you ought to test it out.
What *I get* is that from the horoscopes for people I have done the
predictions played out. Put that in your chillum and smoke it.
On 08/06/2014 12:39 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@...
<mailto:turquoiseb@...> [FairfieldLife] wrote:
*From:* salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>, <noozguru@...>
<mailto:noozguru@...> wrote :
And besides, we get it, you don't like astrology. :-D
I've yet to see anything to like about it.
As previously noted, I don't think there is any link between the
motions of the planets and human behavior, *even on the level of
long-term observance of trends*, using the "motions of the
planets" only to map the supposed repeating time-trends. I think
it's all hooey onto which people project their shit.
That said, I see no more harm in astrology *used for entertainment
purposes*, and nothing else. I see it as on pretty much the same
level as these silly websites that promise to tell you your
"personality type" or (recently) your "life novel." They're just
Rorschach tests, which can be used to explore one's own
personality, along the lines of, "Wow...I can't believe I see a
hot babe in that blob of ink. What does that say about me."
You can potentially have the same level of fun with an astrology
reading, presuming that you didn't pay very much for it, and don't
take it too seriously, and as anything *more* or *more meaningful*
than entertainment. I can still make jokes about my own
"Sagittarius tendencies," for example, and laugh about the
supposedly Sag traits I read about that seem to apply to me, but
at the same time I know that I'm just projecting any
correspondences onto these traits, and that they aren't real.
They're just entertaining.
It's when people start putting money on the line for astrology
that things go over the line. Paying hundreds of dollars to some
charlatan for a reading goes over the line. Making life decisions
or economic decisions or even romantic decisions based on the
"reading" is going over the line. Buying gems or other Woo Woo
talismans to "mitigate karmas" is going over the line. Treating
astrology or jyotish as if they were some kind of "science" is
going over the line.
The squiggles on a "chart" are IMO no more potentially meaningful
than the arrangement of tea leaves in the bottom of a teacup. And
no less so. If your mind has the ability to slip into "seeing"
mode and get a hit off of tea leaves, then it might have the
ability to do so with an astrology chart. But it's your mind doing
the "seeing," not the creation of a chart, or the dumping out of
the tea leaves.
But all of this is pissing into the wind when addressing people
who are locked into Woo Woo Syndrome and constantly looking for
the Next Big Thing to spend money on to increase their Woo / sense
of self-importance. There is no real "wish to find out" there.
They're going to go for anecdotes that reinforce their "will to
believe" every time.
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