---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <noozguru@...> wrote :
On 08/05/2014 11:55 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <noozguru@...> mailto:noozguru@... wrote : On 08/05/2014 09:47 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <noozguru@...> mailto:noozguru@... wrote : On 08/04/2014 11:23 PM, salyavin808 wrote: No it's YOU who doesn't get it. Certainly the sun is the center of our solar system not the galaxy. But horoscopes use other stars in the galaxy that are assumed (wrongly) to rotate around us too. They call them constellations. They do visually. It's called the ecliptic. Geez, this is basic grade school science class astronomy. Don't get too clever, it isn't me claiming that having Mars in front of a particular constellations mean I'm going to be musical or sporty or whatever bollocks school of astrology you belong to claims. I'm just pointing out that the way a chart is drawn is wrong as far as the reality of the galaxy is concerned. To answer your - also inaccurate - point below, the people who invented astrology DID think the Earth was the centre of the universe and everything went round it. They had no idea it was otherwise. As I pointed out if you are an astronomer and want to locate a body in the sky then you are going to do that from your point on earth not the sun. This doesn't change the fact that astrology assumes the sun goes round the Earth. LOL! I don't know any astrologer who believes the Sun goes around the Earth. I don't think anyone wants to move their telescope to the sun. It gets a little hot there. Houses do show the effects of the house in astrology. Why, we don't know but there are theories. Constellations of course were named so that people could locate them in the sky by seeing the shape. The sky is divided into twelve "houses" to match the twelve lunar periods, or months. They aren't real in any objective way. Happy to help. Obviously they do not and can not have any effect on us, they are totally arbitrary and any claimed effect is anthropomorphism writ large. I convert for evidence. Rings true for many horoscopes as long as the correct birth data is provided. Test it yourself. No, planets do not go backwards. Retrogrades are a visual effect. Not all astrologers use them and particularly they are often not used in jyotish at all. This is another thing that gives it away. Why are there so many different types and all apparent;y doing it in a different way? And most likely with their own adherents that claim theirs is the "best" way. However some of the rules are the same between schools. True astrologers (might make a good HBO show) won't claim their way is best just the narcissistic ones do. If it were a true description of human affairs you would only need one, and it would be a lot more obvious than it appears to be, even to other astrologers. Astrology disproves itself by failing to take any of this into account. As I said above you're wrong again. It takes an iron age view of the cosmos, it's all moved on so much it's hilarious that anyone might still think that the position of some of the planets at the time of their birth (why then?) might be relevant to the rest of their lives or even their personality. We've much better explanations for how personalities develop. The stars are as distant from us as we are from them. So there aint nuthin wrong with my knowledge of astronomy Except you don't seem to actually know much about it. You would have recognized those famous astronomy names. Why? Sky mapping is a rather small part of astronomy. Maybe your predelictions have biased you towards this presumed importance? I'm much more interested in large scale cosmology anyway, the inadvertently minded anthropomorphism of prehistoric star gazers has little appeal, you can only read about it so many times without losing interest when there are so many major discoveries being made. Technically you want an astrology program to have the most accurate planetary positions available. The Swiss Ephemeris gets the Astrology Housekeeping Seal of Approval. But it is a bit overkill. Basically it is an astrology program as a library and not always needed. It's core engine is based on the JPL Ephemeris and they have done some additional numerical integration to extend it's range. There is a secondary engine which is much like VSOP87 that is also open source and done by Stephen Moshier a math professor. So what are you going to do with large scale cosmology other than impress folks at the local pub? :-D You seem to be from the University of WillyTex. :-D Now that's fighting talk! but the beauty of that statement is that it's out of date as soon as I type it, because knowledge doesn't stand still, unless you still use a horoscope drawn up before they'd even discovered there were planets beyond Saturn. LOL. What kind of astrology charts did you draw up? Tropical? That would explain a lot. Tropical astrologers hang stuff off comets and asteroids that NASA can't even predict where they'll be. See above, if they can all be wrong by a matter of opinion, they are probably all wrong. Period. You can always tell a bad theory by how many variables you can change and still claim that it's working. In this case the claimed effects are almost certainly caused by something else otherwise it wouldn't be so vague and opinion dependent. Seems you don't know the difference between tropical and sidereal astrology. That hole you're digging must be about to reach China (or more likely the South Pacific). Bottom line is that patterns exists. There really isn't any randomness in our world. That is an illusion. There you go living in the past again, quantum physics is pure randomness. But the large scale is generally highly predictable, sure. But we imagine patterns in the sky, you may think you draw parallels but blind testing gives that the lie. I disagree with your perception. Patterns replicate themselves throughout nature. Also some research has shown that solar storms can effect the behavior of humans on earth. There is often social upheaval during these times. Myth and rumour. Just like the idea that the moon effects us. Sheer lunacy... Really? There have been serious studies on this. Look it up. I let you go so you can grab some of those fresh peanuts that have just been roasted. :-D Just kiddin' Seriously, I like peanuts and I'd be happy to be convinced about astrology. My mind is open, and besides, I'd really like that lottery win! Did you buy any tickets? You can't win unless you buy a ticket. :-D PS: you get a D for today. That must be D for destructively dynamic discourse. You picked the argument. A couple years back I logged onto liberal talk host Mike Malloy's chat room. I introduced myself as a listener of Thom Hartmann's (as well as Malloy). The group responded something about Hartmann and his comments on Mercury retrogrades. That lead to a chat on astrology and every argument they had I trumped. The moderator threw me off. Thing is Malloy used to have an astrologer on his show and blew off those who complained about it. She wasn't just any astrologer either but a jyotish.
