When someone who happens to do TM does something, how can you automatically assume that the "good" is due to TM?
That is like assuming Clint Eastwood's films are good because he does TM - was he a bad actor when he was doing Rawhide before he started TM? If there is a priest in Colombia who does TM and helps street kids, more power to him, but it is the MAN not the mantra or the technique that is taking kids off the street. You also ignore the fact that there are many many broken lives due to TM - like it or not its true. Talk to former TM'er and Fairfield resident Kyle Cleveland sometime if you don't believe me. Talk to Gina Catena. Some people do good things and do TM too. Some people do bad things and do TM too. BUT when you look at the consistent bad behavior on the part of the TMO leadership and you add that to the awful things that happen on rounding courses like the one Sal mentioned, plus the suicides, plus the lying and financial manipulation you have to be willfully ignorant and practicing major compartmentalization to ignore the correlation between TM, TMSP, the Movement and negative experiences, effects and results. But then you do do that, don't you? ________________________________ From: "Share Long [email protected] [FairfieldLife]" <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 8, 2014 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Mental Health in the Fairfield and Meditating Communities Michael, all along I've been willing to share practical info with those who express a desire to help rather than criticize. Are you saying that TMnever helps people lead balanced, healthy lives?! Well, except salyavin (-: What about the street children in Columbia? Have they not been helped by TM and Father Mejia? And btw, the TMO is already helping with efforts to make mental health care more acceptable in FF. On Friday, August 8, 2014 10:43 AM, "Michael Jackson [email protected] [FairfieldLife]" <[email protected]> wrote: Pamela thank you for giving us this clear information on this attempt to bring mental health care out of the darkness of stigma and into the light of day in Fairfield. I appreciate it. Given the secrecy the Movement always promotes and the degree to which any attempt to gain balance OTHER than TM has always been reviled by the TMO it was easy to dismiss Share's assertion that something but I'm not gone tell you what is being done. The people here who object to my posts and opinions don't understand that I really want people to lead balanced healthy lives and TM just doesn't seem to assist with that in my opinion. But more importantly, I have high hopes that the effort to make mental health care acceptable in Fairfield will be successful. From the Movement's track record, it will NEVER help with this, in part because some of the TM people who are having mental problems need to quite simply curtail or stop their TMSP practice because it is the thing responsible for the imbalances in the first place and the TMO can NEVER admit this because if they do, the entire house of vedic cards they have built falls apart. Again, I appreciate your input and your information. Good fortune to whoever is spearheading this in Fairfield. He's gonna need it. ________________________________ From: "Pamela Paradowski [email protected] [FairfieldLife]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, August 8, 2014 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Mental Health in the Fairfield and Meditating Communities I don't ever respond to anything on FF but read posts all the time but felt somewhat compelled to after seeing this thread. I can tell you that the mental health coalition was started by a TM meditator that moved to FF about a year ago. He is a practicing counselor (has his Ph.D or Ed.D but is working under a Master's license in Iowa I believe) and felt that he wanted to do something for the community since mental health was being ignored. He has tried for a year to get this going. It was his initiative --not the school's from my understanding--that started this. He was a student there in the 80's, as I was in the 70's. I am a psychologist and will be doing some work in the community as time goes by--I still live in CA but have a house in FF. I have met with many of the therapists in town to get to know them and I can tell you that everyone is on the same page. These people are well trained and don't buy into everything the official TM community may state. However, many of them meditate and are very open to TM---they just disagree with the assumption that meditation cures bipolar, severe depression etc. They are very aware of the suicides---and having myself found out information about them--as always they were a long time in the making with the people who decided to take their lives. The sadness in the town is that it is so stigmatized to seek help. There is a lot of help there---and cheap---as people do sliding scales. However, the school has not been open to it. All of this is beginning to change right now so the students can get help. They are just normal kids going through normal things but as everyone knows--the so called negative emotions are not given much weight. So people cannot always feel free to express those aspects. And of course there will always be people who have more serious mental health conditions that tends to manifest around those ages. The townspeople need education. That has been tried but did not take. There was a depression/suicide talk at the library a therapist did that was poorly attended. Having worked in the field for years, having meditated since 15 and been a student at MUM 18-22 I have a lot of opinions. I was angry when I left, as that was when we were told if we did not go to the dome we would create a world war. I never bought into it but did not have any desire to go back to FF for a number of years. You can take what is good from TM and a very loving community and not buy into all of it. I find FF now full of people who are very well-balanced (and many who are not). I live in Berkeley and it is certainly the same way here. I don't know how this coalition will turn out as it is a group with many diverse opinions. As with any group, I already hear people talking outside of it about the way certain things are being done. That is just the nature of any group. However, it is a start. The students seek help anyway--that I know--it is just that it may not be paid for by the school or looked down upon. On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:16 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' [email protected] [FairfieldLife] wrote: > > >On 8/8/2014 8:50 AM, feste37 wrote: > >Why should anyone here give you any information about anything that is >happening here? You are not interested in understanding, Your only purpose is >to attack us. Either grow up or STFU. >>> >The impostor Michael Jackson and Barry Wright are finks and liars. Don't feed >them. > >"Bucky, while I agree with your sentiments, the facts are that drug use on >campus itself has been there as long as MIU/MUM has been there. There were >drugs used and sold on campus in the 80's when I was there, and if you can >believe some of the post on the FB page MUM Secrets, the passing years have >seen an upsurge in dope sales and use on campus and I bet in town too." > >Subject: Meditator Kids caught, allegedly holding the Pot >Author: Michael Jackson >Forum: Yahoo! FairfieldLife >Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 11:41:19 -0800 >http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg297992.html >> > > >> >>---In [email protected], <mjackson74@...> wrote : >> >> >>Well that sounds groovy! At least you, feste and Share are in on it - not >>many others in FF seem to know about it. Or are you referring to Fairfield >>Mental Health Community Network? Is that what you are talking about? >> >> >>Let me quote one person who is involved with FFMHCN - "spiritual BS, vague >>platitudes, and let's keep everything positive" >> >> >> >>________________________________ >>From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <[email protected]> >>To: [email protected] >>Sent: Thursday, August 7, 2014 11:39 PM >>Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Mental Health in the Fairfield and Meditating >>Communities >> >> >> >> >>A while ago a memo was circulated between health professionals of the >>meditating community here in Fairfield. Someone took the initiative to draft >>a comprehensive memo and it was timely. It had an excellent definition of the >>problem with mental health locally and also uniquely in the meditating >>community. >>That served as meeting agenda for a set of talking points to meet around in >>working meetings initially. That initial memo still stands as good problem >>definition of many related issues around mental health generally and also >>particular to Fairfield and the meditating communities here. >> >> >>At the early meetings there were quite a few licensed and practicing clinical >>mental health and healthcare and MSW professionals busy in their practices >>and some effective civilian communitarians who came to the meetings. These >>meetings were not just talking meetings for people like MJ to vent at but >>initiative and action started to happen from the beginning of these working >>meetings week by week with effective work in between. That brought more good >>people interested in helping. It is work in process that was within the group >>and also now including meditating movement apparatchiks of the university, >>school, and the movement at large. >> >> >>There are different sub-groups working out of this effort now in the larger >>meditating community and locally. The meetings starting as a ground-swell up >>have been open for capable people who want to help contribute to do things. >>The movement is responding well to the push. This is a way bigger gravity >>than who is going to assimilate who as far as the whole working group and the >>movement but things are going forward independently by weight of force of >>some professionals in the middle and the whole range of what is modern and >>scientific mental health care now. It evidently is good and timely, -Buck >> >> >>sharelong60 writes: >> >>This is a good and healthy development in the FF community, Michael, however >>you try to spin it. >>Which is basically as a lose lose situation: according to you, if people you >>know in FF don't know about this, then it means it's a secret. But if people >>do know, then it means the TMO is bragging?! >> >> >>mjackson74 writes: >> >>Sounds great Bucky! Except other people I know in FF say they have never >>heard of any of this - so we shall see. I am sure if it exists the Movement >>will brag about it all over the place. >> >> >>Nope. MJ, someone evidently is leading you along [by the nose] with bad >>information. That simply is not true. There have been working meetings of >>[meditating] mental health professionals and interested people going on for >>weeks around actively delivering modern mental health to the Fairfield and >>meditating communities. That process has pushed a development of a mental >>health clinic on campus that is being set up and staffed. There is movement >>with local community resources of hospital, emergency response, social >>services and police to have qualified mental health people available as >>standard now. Even a local facility to help in crisis. These are work in >>progress in the meditating community and locally working together around >>this. Yes and all very much looking at the culture of the meditating >>community around modern mental health services and resources is going on. One >>of the academic papers delivered at the academic conference over this last weekend was a framework for mental health from the movement adopting modern scientific and effective practices to mental health. This is being forced and grappled with by good people and the movement too. There is good progress and work in progress. You are making wild and large assumptions evidently to your own end otherwise. >>-Buck, on the Ground in Fairfield and in the Dome >> >> >>mjackson74 writes: >> >> >> >>I just got a private e-mail from someone in Fairfield who says that you are >>making all this up about the TMO creating a group to help people with mental >>problems that might lead to suicide. As I thought. >> >> >> >> >>________________________________ >>From: "Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife]" >><[email protected]> >>To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>Sent: Thursday, August 7, 2014 1:13 PM >>Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] How to inspire confidence in your troops...I >>served 28 yrs now Ret Col TM is a great success4me & my troops who learned it >> >> >> >> >>I found out from friends who know of my interest in helping improve the >>situation. >> >> >> >> >>On Thursday, August 7, 2014 11:38 AM, "Michael Jackson mjackson74@... >>[FairfieldLife]"<[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >>so how do I find out about them? >> >> >> >> >>________________________________ >>From: "Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife]" >><[email protected]> >>To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>Sent: Thursday, August 7, 2014 12:30 PM >>Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] How to inspire confidence in your troops...I >>served 28 yrs now Ret Col TM is a great success4me & my troops who learned it >> >> >> >> >>Michael, how I am replying is totally my choice and is based to a large >>extent on the tone of your posts here, including this one. I think you are >>stuck in the past about the TMO. More importantly, I don't think you welcome >>good news about the TMO. But you are welcome to come to one of the public >>meetings I'm referring to and find out for yourself. That is, if you are >>sincerely interested in improving situations. >> >> >> >> >>On Thursday, August 7, 2014 11:10 AM, "Michael Jackson mjackson74@... >>[FairfieldLife]"<[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >>And with true Movement slippery-ness you are refusing to give us any info on >>how the Movement is dealing with ongoing suicides. Why the secrecy? >>Interesting in that you just took me to task for not responding to Sounds of >>Silence's bs. >> >> >> >>So what are the Movement's remedies to prevent suicide? More meditation? More >>yagyas? More money donated to the Movement? Come on Share, don't blather >>about it unless you are gonna come clean. I know the Movement. The Movement >>in fact does not evolve. They are still stuck in the vibe that the Old Fraud >>himself gave that TM is 1000000000% life supporting. They can't offer a damn >>thing to mitigate suicides among TM'ers that works, cause you could have to >>cease TM to do so. >> >> >> >>Their remedies are all superstitious nonsense. So come on, prove me wrong. >>Are they now suggesting that depressed TM'ers go get professional non-TM help >>from psychiatrists? Or is it some ayurvedic mental health fakir who come from >>India to squirt some mango juice in their ears while chanting mantras to >>them, all at an exorbitant price? >> >> >>________________________________ >>From: "Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife]" >><[email protected]> >>To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>Sent: Thursday, August 7, 2014 11:52 AM >>Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] How to inspire confidence in your troops...I >>served 28 yrs now Ret Col TM is a great success4me & my troops who learned it >> >> >> >> >>Michael, all I'm saying is that wrt suicide and the TMO, your allegation that >>the TMO is ignoring such situations is out of date. I'd also add that the TMO >>is an evolving organization comprised of evolving individuals in an evolving >>universe. It's healthy to make use of what's beneficial in the world and if >>one wants, help heal and or develop what's still evolving. I don't think it's >>healthy to keep focused on what happened a long time ago with a non healing >>intention. Which is what I think you do. >> >> >> >> >>On Thursday, August 7, 2014 10:32 AM, "Michael Jackson mjackson74@... >>[FairfieldLife]"<[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >>E-mail me - you've got my address here. mjackson74@... >> >> >>How can they be doing anything about it when they adamantly claim TM is 100% >>life supporting. I know what kind of response they had when Mark Totten >>stepped in front of a train - it was their usual response - "He must not have >>been meditating correctly." >> >> >>Wonder if they said that about the purusha man who set himself on fire in >>Marshy's basement? >> >> >> >> >>________________________________ >>From: "Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife]" >><[email protected]> >>To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>Sent: Thursday, August 7, 2014 11:06 AM >>Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] How to inspire confidence in your troops...I >>served 28 yrs now Ret Col TM is a great success4me & my troops who learned it >> >> >> >> >>Michael, as with many of your allegations, you are very much out of date with >>your accusation that suicide is ignored by the TMO. If you or anyone else >>sincerely wants more info, then email me directly. >> >> >> >> >>On Thursday, August 7, 2014 9:59 AM, "Michael Jackson mjackson74@... >>[FairfieldLife]"<[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >>its ignored by the TMO and all True Believers - if you know diff, come on and >>make a liar out-a me. >> >> >> >> >>________________________________ >>From: "Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife]" >><[email protected]> >>To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>Sent: Thursday, August 7, 2014 10:46 AM >>Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] How to inspire confidence in your troops...I >>served 28 yrs now Ret Col TM is a great success4me & my troops who learned it >> >> >> >> >>Michael is completely out of date with the allegations he makes here wrt >>suicide being ignored. If anyone is interested in details, please email me >>directly. >> >> >> >> >>On Thursday, August 7, 2014 9:39 AM, "Michael Jackson mjackson74@... >>[FairfieldLife]"<[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >>That's great and there are plenty of other like you. As well as plenty of >>others who have had their lives devastated by their practice of TM and TMSP >>as well as their affiliation with the Movement. >> >> >> >>Talk sometime to those long term TM practitioners who survived suicide >>attempts or the families of those whose attempts were successful and you may >>find a different perspective on TM. I have talked to some of them and I know >>whereof I speak. Suicide amongst long term TMSP'ers is one of the darkest and >>most ignored aspects of the Movement. >> >> >> >> >>________________________________ >>From: "William Leed WLeed3@... [FairfieldLife]" >><[email protected]> >>To: [email protected] >>Sent: Thursday, August 7, 2014 9:36 AM >>Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] How to inspire confidence in your troops...I >>served 28 yrs now Ret Col TM is a great success4me & my troops who learned it >> >> >> >> >>TM has worked for me as well & 4 as many of my troops who learned it & >>continue to so practice it. I & a very few have joined various WPS & groups >>to more fully spread what we believe & in some cases even KNOW it to be a >>most positive effect in joys 4 me personally & those about me then. >> >> >> >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] >><[email protected]> >>To: FairfieldLife <[email protected]> >>Sent: Thu, Aug 7, 2014 9:07 am >>Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] How to inspire confidence in your troops...NOT >> >> >> >> >> >>On 8/7/2014 2:03 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: >> >>In yet another wonderful revelation about the poverty of Israeli ethics...> >>>>>Several other points need to made on this subject: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> * The TB has never served in the military and he is probably a draft >>>>> dodger of some kind, although his parents apparently were career U.S. >>>>> military. >>>>> * The TB is highly prone to the suggestions of others and under peer >>>>> pressure to join groups that espouse some form of religious ideology. >>>>> * The TB lives in a country that is overtly anti-semitic - a country >>>>> that shirked it's U.N. duty to protect innocent civilians in the Bosnia >>>>> war, turning a blind eye to a slaughter. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >
