---In [email protected], <sharelong60@...> wrote : salyavin I've only heard of pills that cost $100 each. I had a bad persistent cough a year ago. Doc prescribed an antibiotic and a $45 inhaler which I didn't even take since I knew I'd probably only use it once. The antibiotic of course gave me a stomach ache and didn't end the cough.
So you base your opinion of modern medicine on a cough that you didn't even take the prescription for? I sure hope that nothing serious ever goes wrong with you Share, you'd be missed round here. So I took a homeopathic cough syrup and voila, cough all gone. So the placebo worked, I'll be jiggered. But they usually do something, and then there's 'reduction to the mean'. This is how most of these new age therapies work, someone has a niggling problem that seems to just get worse so they go to the doctor/soothsayer/vaidya and get prescribed something with no actual effect, the trick is that most minor health problems clear up on their own anyway and by the time you've seen a doctor you immune system is getting on top of the infection so any cure gets blamed on whatever it was you took or had chanted at you. Actually I have seen death listed as a possible side effect of some prescriptions. It would win Irony of the Year if it wasn't so horrifying. It depends what the illness is that's trying to be cured, if it's something fatal anyway you can choose to take the risk. Plenty of things have cures that are worse than the disease but prolong your life for a while, we always have the choice not to take them. On Thursday, August 21, 2014 3:18 PM, salyavin808 <[email protected]> wrote: ---In [email protected], <sharelong60@...> wrote : Oh, I thought by "proper doctor" you meant one who would prescribe pills that cost $100 each and list the following possible side effects: vomiting, headaches, rashes, death, chills, fever, leg cramps... When have you had those, and did they treat the condition being prescribed for? Did the side effects all manifest? They usually don't, they list everything reported by the test groups to cover themselves. Homeopath's have no need to list side effects you know, water is generally rather safe due to it being inert if that makes you happier.... On Thursday, August 21, 2014 3:02 PM, salyavin808 <[email protected]> wrote: ---In [email protected], <sharelong60@...> wrote : dear Salyavin even though it frightens me to ask: exactly how do you define "proper doctor?" One that doesn't prescribe you untested snake oil or placebo's obviously. Someone with an actual medical training perhaps, who can spot health problems and actually do something about them rather than wave a hand over you while chanting in sanskrit. Didn't we have this conversation last week? On Thursday, August 21, 2014 2:14 PM, salyavin808 <[email protected]> wrote: ---In [email protected], <noozguru@...> wrote : On 08/21/2014 10:09 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Doesn't your Royal Family use homeopathy? Oh well, it must be true then. I suppose wearing a crown makes you immune from errors of reasoning. Well, I was kidding you, of course. Even Turq once disagreed with Curtis anti-homeopathic stance because he had actually found a homeopathic substance useful. There's something to the science even if it twiddles the mind of a high school trained scientist. That's the point, there is nothing to the science. That's why we do science, to work out what's real from what isn't, there's nothing like blind testing to give the lie to dodgy claims. Like we did with astrology and all sorts of other nonsense. Check the periodic table posted by MJ earlier for details. :-D Problem is the naysayers are "often reviewing a movie without having seen it." These ideas sound wacky to them until the "white coats" adopt it for their mainstream medicine (as has happened with some of ayurveda). = You actually can get homeopathy on the National Health in the UK but there is a campaign to stop it as using tax payers money to fund something you can demonstrate is ineffective when there are so many people with health problems that simply drinking water given to you by someone friendly won't cure, the money should go to effective and tested treatments. = I would say that until something is tested it shouldn't be described as medicine (this happens here anyway) if ayurvedic treatments survive double blind tests then yes, they should be included in public health programmes. But as it is it's not a system of knowledge but a set of folk beliefs, some of which are known to be seriously dangerous. Testing is expensive though so I fall back on my trusty old maxim: try ayurveda until there is something wrong with you, then go see a proper doctor. = On Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:59 AM, "Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife]" <[email protected]> mailto:[email protected] wrote: Michael, are you being paid by Big Pharma?! On Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:47 AM, "Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife]" <[email protected]> mailto:[email protected] wrote: What everyone on FFL needs on their wall http://crispian-jago.blogspot.com/2010/10/handy-alternative-therapy-flowchart.html http://crispian-jago.blogspot.com/2010/10/handy-alternative-therapy-flowchart.html The Reason Stick: A Handy Alternative Therapy Flowchart Believe it or not, I don't really have a particular interest in alternative therapies, I just can't help picking at the scabs of alt-med credulity. View on crispian-jago.blogspot... Preview by Yahoo
