I lived deep in SE Asia for my first twenty years, where the absence
of them could have resulted in death. Always got about six shots
before any embarkation, against cholera, diphtheria, tuberculosis,
tetanus, and whatever else was around. Two or three shots in each arm,
at least, and a big gamma globulin booster, in the buttocks - painful,
that one. Also sprayed the house every day with DDT. Mosquito
population was always ferocious. Whatever issues people may have with
them, for areas and situations where vaccines and other western
medicines are a necessity, they work miracles.
---In [email protected], <[email protected]> wrote :
---In [email protected], <sharelong60@...> wrote :
Salyavin, I did take the antibiotic, the full course. And I've come to
a similiar conclusion, that diseases work themselves out...eventually.
Given my stance, I have, of course, considered what I would do if
faced with a serious illness. Easy to speculate on the theoretical
level. But even now I take collidal silver and enchinecea to
strengthen my immune system.
So your colds will be less severe? That's something I suppose ;-)
As one doc declared: the age of antibiotics is over. And now we have
superbugs!
The overuse and mis-prescribing of antibiotics helped cause the growth
of superbugs. As well as people not finishing the course. You can't
stop evolution, exterminate most of a virulent but multitudinous life
form that breeds quickly and you force the survivors to evolve into
something that can cope with current drugs.
We are indeed running out of antibiotics to combat the evolution,
worst case scenario is that we'll go back to the good old days when
the most people died a miserable death before age five and the Earth's
population was a tenth of what it is now. Maybe that'll be a good
thing, purely environmentally speaking of course...
On Friday, August 22, 2014 2:22 AM, salyavin808
<[email protected]> wrote:
---In [email protected], <sharelong60@...> wrote :
salyavin I've only heard of pills that cost $100 each. I had a bad
persistent cough a year ago. Doc prescribed an antibiotic and a $45
inhaler which I didn't even take since I knew I'd probably only use it
once. The antibiotic of course gave me a stomach ache and didn't end
the cough.
So you base your opinion of modern medicine on a cough that you didn't
even take the prescription for?
I sure hope that nothing serious ever goes wrong with you Share, you'd
be missed round here.
So I took a homeopathic cough syrup and voila, cough all gone.
So the placebo worked, I'll be jiggered. But they usually do
something, and then there's 'reduction to the mean'. This is how most
of these new age therapies work, someone has a niggling problem that
seems to just get worse so they go to the doctor/soothsayer/vaidya and
get prescribed something with no actual effect, the trick is that most
minor health problems clear up on their own anyway and by the time
you've seen a doctor you immune system is getting on top of the
infection so any cure gets blamed on whatever it was you took or had
chanted at you.
Actually I have seen death listed as a possible side effect of some
prescriptions. It would win Irony of the Year if it wasn't so horrifying.
It depends what the illness is that's trying to be cured, if it's
something fatal anyway you can choose to take the risk. Plenty of
things have cures that are worse than the disease but prolong your
life for a while, we always have the choice not to take them.
On Thursday, August 21, 2014 3:18 PM, salyavin808
<[email protected]> wrote:
---In [email protected], <sharelong60@...> wrote :
Oh, I thought by "proper doctor" you meant one who would prescribe
pills that cost $100 each and list the following possible side
effects: vomiting, headaches, rashes, death, chills, fever, leg cramps...
When have you had those, and did they treat the condition being
prescribed for?
Did the side effects all manifest? They usually don't, they list
everything reported by the test groups to cover themselves.
Homeopath's have no need to list side effects you know, water is
generally rather safe due to it being inert if that makes you happier....
On Thursday, August 21, 2014 3:02 PM, salyavin808
<[email protected]> wrote:
---In [email protected], <sharelong60@...> wrote :
dear Salyavin even though it frightens me to ask: exactly how do you
define "proper doctor?"
One that doesn't prescribe you untested snake oil or placebo's
obviously. Someone with an actual medical training perhaps, who can
spot health problems and actually do something about them rather than
wave a hand over you while chanting in sanskrit.
Didn't we have this conversation last week?
On Thursday, August 21, 2014 2:14 PM, salyavin808
<[email protected]> wrote:
---In [email protected], <noozguru@...> wrote :
On 08/21/2014 10:09 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
Doesn't your Royal Family use homeopathy?
Oh well, it must be true then. I suppose
wearing a crown makes you immune from
errors of reasoning.
Well, I was kidding you, of course.
Even Turq once disagreed with Curtis
anti-homeopathic stance because he had
actually found a homeopathic substance
useful. There's something to the science
even if it twiddles the mind of a high
school trained scientist.
That's the point, there is nothing to the
science. That's why we do science, to
work out what's real from what isn't,
there's nothing like blind testing to
give the lie to dodgy claims. Like we did
with astrology and all sorts of other
nonsense. Check the periodic table posted
by MJ earlier for details.
:-D
Problem is the naysayers are "often reviewing
a movie without having seen it." These ideas
sound wacky to them until the "white coats"
adopt it for their mainstream medicine (as has
happened with some of ayurveda).
=
You actually can get homeopathy on the
National Health in the UK but there is a
campaign to stop it as using tax payers money
to fund something you can demonstrate is
ineffective when there are so many people with
health problems that simply drinking water
given to you by someone friendly won't cure,
the money should go to effective and tested
treatments.
=
I would say that until something is tested it
shouldn't be described as medicine (this
happens here anyway) if ayurvedic treatments
survive double blind tests then yes, they
should be included in public health
programmes. But as it is it's not a system of
knowledge but a set of folk beliefs, some of
which are known to be seriously dangerous.
Testing is expensive though so I fall back on
my trusty old maxim: try ayurveda until there
is something wrong with you, then go see a
proper doctor.
=
On Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:59 AM,
"Share Long sharelong60@...
[FairfieldLife]"
<[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]>
wrote:
Michael, are you being paid by Big Pharma?!
On Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:47 AM,
"Michael Jackson mjackson74@...
[FairfieldLife]"
<[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]>
wrote:
What everyone on FFL needs on their wall
http://crispian-jago.blogspot.com/2010/10/handy-alternative-therapy-flowchart.html
The Reason Stick: A Handy Alternative
Therapy Flowchart
<http://crispian-jago.blogspot.com/2010/10/handy-alternative-therapy-flowchart.html>
Believe it or not, I don't really have a
particular interest in alternative
therapies, I just can't help picking at
the scabs of alt-med credulity.
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