Oh, thought the title said MIU porno video. Never mind.
On Thursday, September 4, 2014 9:40 AM, "'Richard J. Williams' [email protected] [FairfieldLife]" <[email protected]> wrote: >From: feste37 mailto:[email protected] > > > > >You're cherry-picking the comments. Have another look and you'll see many >positive ones. There was nothing sinister or cult-like in the fact that the >University provided an intellectual framework in which students could have >some understanding of their experiences. It was helpful. It was useful. It >was, dare I say it, enlightening. I'm pleased to have been associated with it. > > On 9/4/2014 8:16 AM, TurquoiseBee [email protected] [FairfieldLife] wrote: > >I'm happy for you. > > > >But at the same time I'm a little sad that all these years on you've developed >so little discrimination that you're happy to remain a cultist. > > "An ad hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem > > >Most of my friends from the TM days figured out what Maharishi was about and >how he had suckered all of us into his cult back in the mid-70s, before this >video was even made. We can *understand* believing this kind of idiotic cult >stuff, because we were there and we believed it, too. We were idiots. > > Ad hominem is the second to last resort of someone who is losing a debate and is unable to respond with legitimacy. The last resort, most difficult for the ego, is to consider that he might be wrong. > > > > What we *can't* understand is how someone could possibly *still* believe it, > all these decades later, and choose to *remain* idiots. That's somewhat > scary. There is simply no way we can identify with anyone that weak-willed > and weak-minded. > > Character assassination is a deliberate and sustained process that aims to destroy the credibility and reputation of a person, institution, social group, or nation. Agents of character assassinations employ a mix of open and covert methods to achieve their goals, such as raising false accusations, planting and fostering rumors, and manipulating information. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Character_assassination > ---In [email protected], mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : > > >Dr. Pete, who commented on this video on Facebook today (where I saw it, >because he's a FB Friend of mine), seems to agree more with my >characterization of these people as brainwashed than he agrees with yours. >Sure, they were young, idealistic, and inspired. They were *also* brainwashed, >repeating the exact phrases they'd been taught to repeat verbatim, all without >having ever seen -- or even *asked for* -- any evidence that they were true. > >I'm gonna stick with "brainwashed" and "cultists." One of the reasons I like Dr. Pete is that he has no problem describing his own time with TM the same way and admitting that he was part of a cult. But then he's a shrink...in retrospect probably the only way he *can* justify having been so stupid as to believe the things we believed back then is to point out the systematic, decades-long indoctrination that led to us believing them. Since what he wrote is in public view on FB, I guess I can pass along one of his other comments that I found perceptive: > >"I helped produce several videos for various MIU functions in the 1980's and >it was always a problem to get people to talk about their experiences in their >own words rather than in TM jargon. It was the worst with people 'higher-up' >in the movement. I interviewed one person, who is in this video too, who kept >on saying that he experienced the 'home of all the laws of nature' when he >meditated. I asked him, off-camera, if he actually had this experience or if >this was a concept he had from MMY. He couldn't distinguish between the two >which was rather shocking." > >Another former FFLer who is actually seen in the video describes it in the comments thusly: "How embarrassing. Now I see why TM lost its popularity and the university changed its name." > > > > >________________________________ > From: feste37 mailto:[email protected] >To: [email protected] >Sent: Thursday, September 4, 2014 1:43 PM >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MIU Promo Video 1981 > > > > >No, not brainwashed. Young, idealistic, enthusiastic, inspired. I was there in >1981, and it was a good place to be. > > > >---In [email protected], mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : > > >The shock is not how incredibly brainwashed these people are as they parrot >buzzphrases and display absolutely no individuality whatsoever. The shock is >that 34 years later people still think like this and talk like this, some of >them here on this very forum. > > > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bteLrKEfj3g&feature=share > > > > > > > > >
