---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :
Ditto, Spiritually, people should speak the sweet truth. Saha Nav, satyam bruyat, priyam bruyat speak the truth, speak sweetly na bruyat satyam apriyam | don't speak truth in an unloving way priyam ca nanritam bruyat don't speak untruth in a pleasant way esha dharmah sanatanah || this is the eternal law Or, TM Saha Nav: never do we speak negativity, never do we denounce anyone, M: Is this supposed to be a parody of the movement's hypocrisy by your alter ego "Buck", because this is the exact opposite of what you have been doing? You have been doing more than denouncing, you have been slandering beyond all reason with odious comparisons. http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/365694 http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/365694 Apostasy is just wrong thinking clearly getting over the line. Or as the Shakers would have said in their way, "Out of Union with the Gospel." -Buck M: It means you dropped a belief. Like everybody who grows up and changes religions for example. In modern society it should invoke a "meh" at best. The only reason it is an up word today is because there are still medieval morons running around enforcing a death penalty spelled out in their scriptures for this thought crime. People like you who are giving lip service to a reformed religion should be the last person to run around accusing someone of changing their mind about something and making slanderous comparisons with people who are killing other human beings for what they think. B:: An apostate of course is different from someone just being a critic. M: They might not be a critic at all, it just means they dropped the belief. Whey can't religious fanatics crack a book and get their words straight? B:The critic, who as a satisfied and regular practitioner M: Slippery one Buck. Now you are redefining legitimate criticism only for people still practicing which by definition means they are not apostates. You are trying to distance yourself from the years of whining and criticism you subjected us too when you were kicked out of the dome. Your criticism was OK and his is terrorism. Nice try. B: may offer some criticism as in a state of critique. Such critique is then also quite different in grade from those others being more negative and then again from states of pernicious negativity advocacy, like those people who are both quitters and haters in method. M: Which is the freak'n definition of apostasy short bus. B: That becomes a pretty clear sign of someone who has fallen in to TM apostasy. M: Not to you. You aren't clear about any of the definitions of words you are introducing into the discussion D:We should be mindful and clear about this as we filter our reading and interacting with our fellow community members here. That is justly good and sound subtle spirituality. M: You are making this too easy dude. Take your own preachy advice to heart, stop speaking the unsweet truth about someone you disagree with, stop making wildly inappropriate comparisons with expressing disdain for a group and people who explode bombs on babies and for your God's sake; crack a freak'n book about the terms you are using as weapons here to shoot the messenger for ideas you do not share. Yes, like considering the source of posts I certainly sort my incoming mail accordingly. Om we should have, we could have better sorted the FFL membership here accordingly from way back with more aggressive moderation against the apostaic spam of outright apostasy here. Posting on FFL should be held a privilege and not just some right. Saha Nav, -Buck, a Satisfied Customer by the Practise of Maharishi's Transcendental Meditation Programme Yes, that 'Disaffiliation'; Friends, for any of us we certainly know an apostate when we see one. For instance, with The Science of Creative Intelligence of which TM is the practical application. Seeing as US jurisprudence judges SCI to be a Religion it would not be a stretch to say that people who would renounce TM just by dropping or quitting the practice of said meditation and who then promote publicly against TM with an advocacy of negativity are in fact in an apostate state: apostate, as apostates in apostasy. Q.E.D., TM Apostates. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <authfriend@...> wrote: As I'm pretty sure both Xeno and Barry know, apostasy is not limited to defection from a religion. One can become an apostate from any previous loyalty. > 'Apostasy is the formal disaffiliation from or abandonment or renunciation > of a religion by a person. One who commits apostasy is known as an > apostate.' > > As I never was the member of any religion, I cannot ever be correctly accused > of apostasy. As the TM org claims it is not a religion, so no one can ever be > correctly accused for disafilliating or abandoning TM as apostasy (unless of > course the TM org is lying about that claim). It's an NPD Thang, Xeno. If you've convinced yourself that the POV held by your self is "true," and that any POV that contradicts it is is "untrue," then you get to make up the rules. There is absolutely *no problem* with declaring someone an apostate from an organization that you declare is not a religion. :-) It's a lot like having an argument in which there is only one participant -- the person trying to start the argument -- and then declaring one's self the "winner." :-) Narcissistic Personality Disorder really *does* explain almost all of the aberrant behavior we see on FFL. I would suggest that this mental disorder is the true legacy of Maharishi's teachings. :-)
