turq, the only thing I'm passing along is that I I shared what I thought to be
true. And that I felt no intention to deceive in the women I got the info from.
From: "TurquoiseBee [email protected] [FairfieldLife]"
<[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Ultimate Kool-Aid: Chicken Soup for Dumb Souls
OK, thanks for making your position clear. You "trust" these people, so you
will continue to pass along something you now know to be untrue because of your
"positive impression." You ARE in on the deception with them.
Thanks for clarifying. I think we're done here...
From: "Share Long [email protected] [FairfieldLife]"
<[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Ultimate Kool-Aid: Chicken Soup for Dumb Souls
turq, it's simple: I know the 2 people personally and trust them. And in
that moment, on that call, I felt no intention to deceive from either of them.
That's why I didn't check what was said. And I stand by the positive impression
that I had.
From: "TurquoiseBee [email protected] [FairfieldLife]"
<[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Ultimate Kool-Aid: Chicken Soup for Dumb Souls
What's wrong with saying, "I was WRONG? Marci Shimoff is NOT 'the
bestselling female nonfiction author of all time,' even though (given your own
story, Share) she clearly intentionally allowed her friend to give me and a
group of people that impression."
THAT, at least, would be honest of you. To continue evading any responsibility
for repeating this fiction...uh...tends to convey the impression that you're in
on the deception yourself.
As for 'just repeating what you thought was true," several people have called
you over the years here on FFL on your tendency to do that WITHOUT CHECKING TO
SEE WHETHER WHAT YOU'RE REPEATING AS TRUTH REALLY WAS. You do this over and
over and over and over, with everything from repeating scare stories about
Ebola that aren't true to recommending health care people who are proven
quacks.
Do you really NOT feel that when you repeat something you are presenting as
truth you owe the people you're talking to a little effort to *find out if it's
true* first?
I'm pointing this out because it's part of a PATTERN among these ex-TMers who
went on to become New Age gurus . John Gray and Barbara De Angelis presented
themselves as Ph.Ds to further their Woo Woo careers *after buying those
"degrees" from a paper mill on the Internet*. Do you think that might be
construed as a little...uh...dishonest? Marci Shimoff clearly believes it's OK
to allow one of her co-presenters to LIE about the extent of her book sales
during one of her classes. Do you think there might be a little something "off"
ethically about *that*?
And YOU, rather than just saying, "OK, I was really stupid. I just repeated
something that someone told me as truth without ever checking to see it was
true," you're bobbing and weaving and trying not to take any responsibility for
it. "Your conscience is clear" because you repeated some things that you
thought were true without doing *anything* to determine whether they *were*
true? What's up with that?
Why should we assume that you're not exhibiting this same pattern of
intentional deception that the other three people I mention are exhibiting?
Seems to me that if it looks like a duck and waddles like a duck, chances are
it's a duck.
From: "Share Long [email protected] [FairfieldLife]"
<[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Ultimate Kool-Aid: Chicken Soup for Dumb Souls
turq, my conscience is clear: I repeated what I thought was true. I now
assume the friend didn't have the exact details and was being enthusiastic. I
now assume the author was being gracious about her friend's enthusiasm. I'm
assuming the best. Why not?
From: "TurquoiseBee [email protected] [FairfieldLife]"
<[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 7:19 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Ultimate Kool-Aid: Chicken Soup for Dumb Souls
So all *three* of you lied, or have no regard whatsoever for the truth.
Good to know.
From: "Share Long [email protected] [FairfieldLife]"
<[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Ultimate Kool-Aid: Chicken Soup for Dumb Souls
I repeated something about Marci that was said by one of her best friends
during a teleclass they were co-hosting. Marci did not correct her so I assumed
it was true.
From: "TurquoiseBee [email protected] [FairfieldLife]"
<[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 7:06 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Ultimate Kool-Aid: Chicken Soup for Dumb Souls
Still, you lied. Deal with it.
From: "Share Long [email protected] [FairfieldLife]"
<[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Ultimate Kool-Aid: Chicken Soup for Dumb Souls
Nope turq, I heard it from one of Marci's best friends and co hostess
during a teleclass. Neither one of them are associated with TM any more. And I
own no chicken soup books!
From: "TurquoiseBee [email protected] [FairfieldLife]"
<[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 6:56 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Ultimate Kool-Aid: Chicken Soup for Dumb Souls
So you're trying to make the point that the world has terrible taste in
non-fiction? That's not news. Me, I'll stick with "awful, mawkish, obvious,
painful, unbearable, unenjoyable, and scarring" and "a noxious sludge of
sentimental woo-woo." :-)
Besides, a quick scan of this page
http://www.abebooks.com/blog/index.php/2014/01/17/the-75-greatest-living-female-authors/
reveals that Marci Shimoff's name does not appear on it anywhere. The list
*does* comprise both fiction and non-fiction, but there are at least 7 female
authors on the list who write non-fiction, none of them Marci Shimoff.
I suspect you have done your usual thing and have chosen to believe "marketing
fiction" created by Shimoff's publisher and accept it as if it were true. It
isn't. Marci Shimoff doesn't even have her own Wikipedia page, something one
might have expected if what you claim about her book sales were true.
In other words, ONCE AGAIN you've chosen to believe a lie that makes you feel
good about something/someone TM-related, rather than expend even the slightest
effort to see whether the lie was true.
In fact, *even on her OWN Web page*, Shimoff doesn't claim what you said. The
copy reads, "...one of the bestselling female nonfiction authors of all time,"
so it appears that you made up this particular lie ALL BY YOURSELF. What do you
have to say for yourself, Share?
From: "Share Long [email protected] [FairfieldLife]"
<[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Ultimate Kool-Aid: Chicken Soup for Dumb Souls
Jeez, turq, now you're blaming the TMO for chicken soup?! FYI, Jack
Canfield and Rick Hanson never lived in FF, though Marci Shimoff did. Read it
and weep: Marci Shimoff is the best selling, non fiction, woman author of all
time. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
PS Making any progress on that thorn in your paw?
From: "TurquoiseBee [email protected] [FairfieldLife]"
<[email protected]>
To: FairfieldLife <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 3:47 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Ultimate Kool-Aid: Chicken Soup for Dumb Souls
.
Interesting article about a phenomenon that as I remember had its start in
Fairfield. Descriptions of this Literary Pinnacle Of Newage Crap in the article
like "awful, mawkish, obvious, painful, unbearable, unenjoyable, and scarring"
and "a noxious sludge of sentimental woo-woo" just don't do its
horriblenessitude justice.
Someone I had known back in the TM movement once tried set me up on a "coffee
date" with one of the Chicken Soup authors. It was horrific, almost the worst
date in my life (for the record, the worst was with Barbara De Angelis)...I
lasted less than five minutes before making some excuse and running away, and
had to wash my ears out in the coffeeshop restroom before I felt human again.
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