Thanks for the review of these chicken soup people, Feste37 and Turqb.   I had 
not paid much attention to them. There seems to be an ethical problem there.  
Did they learn that kind of way of doing business from somewhere or develop the 
approach themselves? What might it have been in their upbringings that lead 
them to do business this way as adults? It seems in these more transparent 
modern internet times that business ethics very often become leading economic 
indicators as to windows in to people and how their businesses fair.
 Sincerely, -Buck
 

 turquoiseb@...> wrote :
 
 Exactly, Feste. That's what originally set my teeth on edge during the few 
minutes I spent with Marci Shimoff. She was bragging about being a "bestselling 
author" and I asked what exactly she had *done* on the one book (at the time) 
she had "written." Answer? She had made a few taped interviews and then edited 
some of the transcriptions that some flunky had made of them. 
 

 I hadn't realized until this subject came up that she was also one of the 
driving personalities behind one of the biggest and 
most-psychologically-destructive scams ever, "The Secret." I feel icky just 
writing about her, so I think I'll stop now.

 

 From: feste37 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 5:32 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Ultimate Kool-Aid: Chicken Soup for Dumb Souls
 
 
   I've always found it irritating when the people whose names appear on the 
covers of Chicken Soup books claim to be New York Times best-selling authors. 
These people do not even write the books. At best they are editors and 
compilers of collections of stories written by other people. I don't believe 
that Marci ever wrote a word of the Chicken Soup books that bear her name. 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <turquoiseb@...> wrote :

 OK, thanks for making your position clear. You "trust" these people, so you 
will continue to pass along something you now know to be untrue because of your 
"positive impression." You ARE in on the deception with them. 

 

 Thanks for clarifying. I think we're done here... 

 

 From: "Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> 
 Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 5:13 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Ultimate Kool-Aid: Chicken Soup for Dumb Souls
 
 
   turq, it's simple: I know the 2 people personally and trust them. And in 
that moment, on that call, I felt no intention to deceive from either of them. 
That's why I didn't check what was said. And I stand by the positive impression 
that I had. 

 

 


 From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> 
 Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 9:56 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Ultimate Kool-Aid: Chicken Soup for Dumb Souls
 
 
   
 What's wrong with saying, "I was WRONG? Marci Shimoff is NOT 'the bestselling 
female nonfiction author of all time,' even though (given your own story, 
Share) she clearly intentionally allowed her friend to give me and a group of 
people that impression."
 

 THAT, at least, would be honest of you. To continue evading any responsibility 
for repeating this fiction...uh...tends to convey the impression that you're in 
on the deception yourself.
 

 As for 'just repeating what you thought was true," several people have called 
you over the years here on FFL on your tendency to do that WITHOUT CHECKING TO 
SEE WHETHER WHAT YOU'RE REPEATING AS TRUTH REALLY WAS. You do this over and 
over and over and over, with everything from repeating scare stories about 
Ebola that aren't true to recommending health care people who are proven 
quacks. 

 

 Do you really NOT feel that when you repeat something you are presenting as 
truth you owe the people you're talking to a little effort to *find out if it's 
true* first?
 

 I'm pointing this out because it's part of a PATTERN among these ex-TMers who 
went on to become New Age gurus . John Gray and Barbara De Angelis presented 
themselves as Ph.Ds to further their Woo Woo careers *after buying those 
"degrees" from a paper mill on the Internet*. Do you think that might be 
construed as a little...uh...dishonest? Marci Shimoff clearly believes it's OK 
to allow one of her co-presenters to LIE about the extent of her book sales 
during one of her classes. Do you think there might be a little something "off" 
ethically about *that*? 

 

 And YOU, rather than just saying, "OK, I was really stupid. I just repeated 
something that someone told me as truth without ever checking to see it was 
true," you're bobbing and weaving and trying not to take any responsibility for 
it. "Your conscience is clear" because you repeated some things that you 
thought were true without doing *anything* to determine whether they *were* 
true? What's up with that?

 

 Why should we assume that you're not exhibiting this same pattern of 
intentional deception that the other three people I mention are exhibiting? 
Seems to me that if it looks like a duck and waddles like a duck, chances are 
it's a duck. 

  

 


 From: "Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> 
 Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 4:32 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Ultimate Kool-Aid: Chicken Soup for Dumb Souls
 
 
   turq, my conscience is clear: I repeated what I thought was true. I now 
assume the friend didn't have the exact details and was being enthusiastic. I 
now assume the author was being gracious about her friend's enthusiasm. I'm 
assuming the best. Why not?

 

 


 From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> 
 Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 7:19 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Ultimate Kool-Aid: Chicken Soup for Dumb Souls
 
 
   
 So all *three* of you lied, or have no regard whatsoever for the truth. Good 
to know. 

 

 


 From: "Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> 
 Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 2:09 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Ultimate Kool-Aid: Chicken Soup for Dumb Souls
 
 
   I repeated something about Marci that was said by one of her best friends 
during a teleclass they were co-hosting. Marci did not correct her so I assumed 
it was true. 

 

 


 From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> 
 Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 7:06 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Ultimate Kool-Aid: Chicken Soup for Dumb Souls
 
 
   
 Still, you lied. Deal with it. 

 

 


 From: "Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> 
 Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 2:00 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Ultimate Kool-Aid: Chicken Soup for Dumb Souls
 
 
   Nope turq, I heard it from one of Marci's best friends and co hostess during 
a teleclass. Neither one of them are associated with TM any more. And I own no 
chicken soup books!

 

 


 From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> 
 Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 6:56 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Ultimate Kool-Aid: Chicken Soup for Dumb Souls
 
 
   
 So you're trying to make the point that the world has terrible taste in 
non-fiction? That's not news. Me, I'll stick with "awful, mawkish, obvious, 
painful, unbearable, unenjoyable, and scarring" and "a noxious sludge of 
sentimental woo-woo."  :-)
 

 Besides, a quick scan of this page 
http://www.abebooks.com/blog/index.php/2014/01/17/the-75-greatest-living-female-authors/
 
http://www.abebooks.com/blog/index.php/2014/01/17/the-75-greatest-living-female-authors/
 reveals that Marci Shimoff's name does not appear on it anywhere. The list 
*does* comprise both fiction and non-fiction, but there are at least 7 female 
authors on the list who write non-fiction, none of them Marci Shimoff. 

 

 I suspect you have done your usual thing and have chosen to believe "marketing 
fiction" created by Shimoff's publisher and accept it as if it were true. It 
isn't. Marci Shimoff doesn't even have her own Wikipedia page, something one 
might have expected if what you claim about her book sales were true. 

 

 In other words, ONCE AGAIN you've chosen to believe a lie that makes you feel 
good about something/someone TM-related, rather than expend even the slightest 
effort to see whether the lie was true. 

 

 In fact, *even on her OWN Web page*, Shimoff doesn't claim what you said. The 
copy reads, "...one of the bestselling female nonfiction authors of all time," 
so it appears that you made up this particular lie ALL BY YOURSELF. What do you 
have to say for yourself, Share?

 

 


 From: "Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> 
 Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 12:56 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Ultimate Kool-Aid: Chicken Soup for Dumb Souls
 
 
   Jeez, turq, now you're blaming the TMO for chicken soup?! FYI, Jack Canfield 
and Rick Hanson never lived in FF, though Marci Shimoff did. Read it and weep: 
Marci Shimoff is the best selling, non fiction, woman author of all time. Put 
that in your pipe and smoke it. 

 PS Making any progress on that thorn in your paw?

 

 From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife <fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com> 
 Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 3:47 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Ultimate Kool-Aid: Chicken Soup for Dumb Souls
 
 . 
   
 Interesting article about a phenomenon that as I remember had its start in 
Fairfield. Descriptions of this Literary Pinnacle Of Newage Crap in the article 
like "awful, mawkish, obvious, painful, unbearable, unenjoyable, and scarring" 
and "a noxious sludge of sentimental woo-woo" just don't do its 
horriblenessitude justice. 

 

 Someone I had known back in the TM movement once tried set me up on a "coffee 
date" with one of the Chicken Soup authors. It was horrific, almost the worst 
date in my life (for the record, the worst was with Barbara De Angelis)...I 
lasted less than five minutes before making some excuse and running away, and 
had to wash my ears out in the coffeeshop restroom before I felt human again. 

 

 What Makes the Chicken Soup for the Soul Series So Addictive and Awful? 
http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/books/2014/11/history_of_the_chicken_soup_for_the_soul_series_a_critical_evaluation.2.html
 

  
  
 
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